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[Antigoth]

Hey all,

Part of my original mandate in creating the RDPC was this:

• Assist in the organzaition of the culmination of the 2007-2008 World Championships to be held in Orlando Florida. (It's up to you to get your own ass there.)
• Develop an intial system of Regionals / National championships.

After it was discovered how CI was going to handle the qualifier winners and their tickets to Wrestlemania, it's clear that holding the official 07/08 Championship AT WM in Florida is impractical.

Something some folks have asked for, and something I am very comfortable with, is holding the World Championships at the Largest gaming convention in North America...

              ...Gencon.


How would it work? That's where it becomes somewhat more complicated.

1) I would like to hold the Championship on the Sunday.

2) Anyone who has qualified after the 2007 worlds in Detroit is automatically qualified, and can enter.

3) The World Champion from the previous year gets free entry into the World Championship if they so desire.

4) Any winner of a sanctioned regional held prior to Gencon 2008 would be allowed to enter the championship.

5) Qualifiers into the championship will also be held throughout the day Thursday, Friday, and Saturday.

6) Anyone who has already qualified for the Championship CAN play in another qualifier, and with the qualifier. If that happens, the slot in the Championship goes to second place. If second place is already qualified, the slot would slide down to third place. This will happen all the way until you pass outside of the top Cut. If all players who make the top cut are already qualified, there will be no new players qualified for the WC's.

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With the announcement of the RDV (Raw Deal Virtual Set) <Click here for more info> The 2009 Championship will be based around the format generated by the Raw Deal Virtual cards.

For 2008 we have to ask what is the format?

If I can get the volunteers, what I would like to do is as follows for the World Championships:

Thursday
1 All Axxess Qualifier, 1 Revo Qualifier, 1 Vengeance/Afterburn/RDC Qualifier

Friday
1 All Axxess Qualifier, 1 Revo Qualifier, 1 Vengeance/Afterburn/RDC Qualifier

Saturday
1 All Axxess Qualifier, 1 Revo Qualifier, 1 Vengeance/Afterburn/RDC Qualifier

<The Vengeance/Afterburn/RDC question will be answered within the next week>

So theoretically if you wanted to, you could come to Gencon, and play Raw Deal every day.

The World Championships would be as follows:
6 Rounds of swiss: 30 minute rounds, with new end of time rules (to be discussed over the next few weeks.

Round 1&2 Played with All Axxess Decks.
Round 3&4 Played with Revo
Round 5&6 Played with Vengeance/Afterburn/RDC

Top X cut based on # of players.

Finals will be best 2 out of 3, with round 1 being AA, round 2 being Revo, round 3 if needed being Vengeance/Afterburn/RDC

Entry for each qualifier would be $4 - Gencon's mandated minimum price for each event. The multitude of qualifiers are because I don't expect there to be that tremendous of a turnout.

Additionally most games hold their Championships on Friday/Saturday. By hold the Raw Deal championship with the timing stated as above, it will allow for people who want to play Raw Deal for kicks that chance. Qualify on Thursday, then play on Sunday.

Gencon's first phase of game registration ends February 25th. I would like to try and get the Raw Deal Championships in and booked during that first wave to assure that we get the space we want.

Before you volunteer saying "I want to help run stuff!"
I will be setting it up to try and get some GM badges. There are specific limits surrounding # of badges and such.
Additionally there will be no compensation for Hotels.
I will however have no issues if some of the people who judge also want to play.

This is going to be about bragging rights, and at this time there will be no major prizes on the line.

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Q1: How do I hold a regional?
A1:Contact me, at least two months prior to holding your event so we can publicize it.

Q2:How big does it have to be?
A2:In a perfect world, I'd like to see at least 10 players to justify it qualifying for a worlds slot. 

Q3: Is all of the above set in stone?
A3: No... but I'd like to lock most of it down in the next two weeks.

Thoughts/Questions/Concerns?

[Niki Heber]

Brian, as an extra little bit, I think that if a person who is qualified can't go, he or she should be able to give that qualifier slot to someone else that will represent them in the tournament.

I've always personally had scheduling problems that prevented me from going to most of raw deal's event outside of gencon, and i know i'm not the only one.  Also, in this could help in the case of a person dropping out of the game before the big event, but they have a suitable replacement in mind, they can send that replacement, putting their reputations on the line.

I think it will make thiings a little more flexible and player friendly when the players themselves can't make it to the big event.

[neuromancer]

2) Anyone who has qualified after the 2006 worlds in Detroit is automatically qualified, and can enter.

3) The World Champion from the previous year gets free entry into the World Championship if they so desire.

Did you mean 2007? Meaning those people who are given free Wrestlemania 24 tickets?

And, world champion from the previous year, refers to Rumi?

How many players will be down for the world championship? 16 as usual?

[Antigoth]

Brian, as an extra little bit, I think that if a person who is qualified can't go, he or she should be able to give that qualifier slot to someone else that will represent them in the tournament.

I've always personally had scheduling problems that prevented me from going to most of raw deal's event outside of gencon, and i know i'm not the only one.  Also, in this could help in the case of a person dropping out of the game before the big event, but they have a suitable replacement in mind, they can send that replacement, putting their reputations on the line.

I think it will make thiings a little more flexible and player friendly when the players themselves can't make it to the big event.

I agree whole heartedly, and since the idea is to play Raw Deal, for bragging rights, I see no issue with this.

2) Anyone who has qualified after the 2006 worlds in Detroit is automatically qualified, and can enter.

3) The World Champion from the previous year gets free entry into the World Championship if they so desire.

Did you mean 2007? Meaning those people who are given free Wrestlemania 24 tickets?

Yes, my bad. I've corrected myself.

And, world champion from the previous year, refers to Rumi?

Yep. If he wants to fly over, he's getting in for free. <However he and the other qualified players have to buy their Gencon Badge, and pay for their own hotels, sorry!>

How many players will be down for the world championship? 16 as usual?

Since we are no longer under a "CI paying to get people to the Worlds" situation, we can have as many people qualify as possible. That means if 50 people qualify and show up, we have 50 people in the worlds.

Currently the following people are qualified:
Origins  Revolution Champion: Pat Eshghy (Tommy Dreamer)
           All Axxess Champion: Kevin Peters (Paul Heyman)
Gen Con Revolution Champion: Zack Barner (Jeff Hardy)
            All Axxess Champion: Dom DeMarco (Rey Mysterio)
Canadian Champion: Matt Stoneham
UK Champion: Guy Jones (Undertaker)
Chilean Champion: Luis Navas (Bobby Heenan/ R-Rey Mysterio)

That's 7 folks qualified, plus Rumi, plus the 9 slots at Gencon, plus whatever regionals happen between now and then.

[KevinPeters]

I see this as having possibilities. I do however question "passing" qualifier slots from one person to another. Why allow this? Player A winning qualifier doesn't allow player B to play in Worlds.

Need more explanation on this. Not trying to cause problem. I just don't see how passing slots around makes any sense.

[Antigoth]

I see this as having possibilities. I do however question "passing" qualifier slots from one person to another. Why allow this? Player A winning qualifier doesn't allow player B to play in Worlds.

Need more explanation on this. Not trying to cause problem. I just don't see how passing slots around makes any sense.

As an example -
Darren 'N00bSauc3 / R3d3mption' Patching comes out of retirement, and wins the Central Canadian Regional Qualifier. He can't make it to Gencon, because he can't get the time off. Nilton Arruda can however go. Darren says "Nilton, go defend my honor, and play in my place."

Now if Darren wins a qualifier, and shows up, and wins a Qualifier at Gencon, he can't send Nilton in his place.

Not seeing this as a Kevin trying to cause problems, it's a valid question.
I don't see harm in the suggestion Niki's made. But since this is a poll, and it's open for discussion, if you see harm in it, feel free to bring it up.

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Or are you talking about if a Qualified player plays and wins a qualifier, then it doesn't eliminate the spot?

At Gencon table allotments are based on headcount and registered players. If the RDPC holds the WC's this year, and has a solid turn out, if we ask for similar space next year, then we are much more likely to get it. Additionally more players, equals more player hours, equals more possibility of getting GM passes for the guys who are volunteering lots, and helping run stuff.

If the option of letting the slot go to the second place player was not there, and already qualified players were allowed to play, then nothing would stop you (Mr. Peters who are already qualified) from playing in each of the qualifiers, winning each one, and eliminating 9 slots from the World Championships.

This was a practice that was used in the Highlander World Championships many moons ago, and it worked well for them. I was thinking of bringing back this practice to maximize players, and give people the opportunity to play as much raw deal as they want. Because at this point, aside from the bragging rights, it's all about playing the game.

[KevinPeters]

Has anyone ever seen a "proxy" competitor at any World championship?

Case closed!

Player A won qualifier. Player A can't make Worlds. Looks like Player A will not be represented at World's.

How does his honor come into play? It's his honor, not his buddies.

Just saying.........

[Antigoth]

Has anyone ever seen a "proxy" competitor at any World championship?

Actually I have.

Case closed!

Player A won qualifier. Player A can't make Worlds. Looks like Player A will not be represented at World's.

How does his honor come into play? It's his honor, not his buddies.

Just saying.........

To be honest, maybe I'm approaching this to loosely. I'm looking at this as an exercise in fun and camaraderie. Not a "we must be super cut throat".

I'm thinking this specific question may simply go up to vote, because I'm thinking from a regionals perspective, if only people who can go to Gencon can win the seat, then will that decrease participation?

Part of me doing this is to drive as much participation as possible to see how many people are interested in still playing.

[neuromancer]

Correct me if I'm wrong in understanding.

The case now is that what Brian is trying to do is to generate more numbers, so that it will "look nice" and your will be able to book a place in gencon easier. Also, he feels that it is more of the having-fun-together rather than the championship itself. If some participants can't come due to work commitment, we will have 1 lesser player playing together with us. Lesser player, lesser fun. The World Championship is just a name. The main purpose is still to generate interest in the players.

[Antigoth]

Correct me if I'm wrong in understanding.

The case now is that what Brian is trying to do is to generate more numbers, so that it will "look nice" and your will be able to book a place in gencon easier. Also, he feels that it is more of the having-fun-together rather than the championship itself. If some participants can't come due to work commitment, we will have 1 lesser player playing together with us. Lesser player, lesser fun. The World Championship is just a name. The main purpose is still to generate interest in the players.

You've nailed it bang on.

[frehocc]

Sounds good to me.

Anyone want to come up with a list of proxy players for Singapore players? Or can we have an online game at the actual event, you know, on apprentice. Those there play via cards. Those not there play via apprentice with those who are there ar Gencon. I'm assuming people has a laptop and internet connection at Gencon

I don't think people here are able to pay S$1500 airfare + S$800 hotel + S$200 travel + S$100 Gencon passes to party wth you all.

[gamhhh]

The only reason i voted I don't care is i was hoping that we could hold something in Philadelphia cause it will be hard for me to go to Gencon and all...Let me know if we could hook up something here in philly...possibly at Wizard World

GAMHHH

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[HalfBadger]

Correct me if I'm wrong in understanding.

The case now is that what Brian is trying to do is to generate more numbers, so that it will "look nice" and your will be able to book a place in gencon easier. Also, he feels that it is more of the having-fun-together rather than the championship itself. If some participants can't come due to work commitment, we will have 1 lesser player playing together with us. Lesser player, lesser fun. The World Championship is just a name. The main purpose is still to generate interest in the players.

I agree with what Brian's proposing. Especially since Raw Deal has mainly been about having fun, than being overly cut throat, especially now where there aren't any big prizes (technically Raw Deal never really gave out big prizes anyways compared to other games).

As well as having the WC on Sunday and trying to get as many people involved in it as possible, can also attract people from other games. Not neccassarily for them to start playing Raw Deal, but seeing that it's not dead and how volunteers and the fans having been keeping it alive almost from day one and will keep it alive for a long time. Also it'll probably be the most fun/laid back WC of any CCG, so more ppl means more fun.

The regional thing is also good, since CI usually has done a horrible job of doing regional qualifiers. I also agree with the spot moving down the rankings if someone can't attend or someone already qualified giving the spot to someone else. For one main reason it'll help bring ppl together, since you'll wanna play test with a wide group of ppl and making stronger connections among players is vital for Raw Deal.

[shesgotlegs]

The plan looks very solid.  I like that there are multiple qualifiers (and types!) each day to accommodate those that are playing in other events. 

I know you mentioned that it will be about bragging rights for the champ, but I wouldn't be against a few extra bucks in the price of an entry fee to reward the winner with a pair of SummerSlam tickets or something. 

[HXCDisciple]

I really like this idea.  It keeps things easy-going and regenerates interest as opposed to shutting people out.  That, and it gives me the excuse to duck out of town for a few days and play some Raw Deal against people who still play.

[CRASHER]

any chance of pooling the money into some kinda replica belt maybe??

I know I was planning on GenCon anyway... even if it's a Raw Deal Swan Song... but it would be kinda sweet to hoist a belt or two also!

I know it's not likely, but it would be cool to have an I-C, US and ECW Title for each of the mini-quailifers and a world title for the big one

or am i dreaming?

*Edit*
And this will be only of all the Raw Deal cards we know and love from the past right?
No virtual cards?

[Antigoth]

any chance of pooling the money into some kinda replica belt maybe??

The $4 per tourney entry fee listed above goes directly to Gencon. We see none of that money.

I know I was planning on GenCon anyway... even if it's a Raw Deal Swan Song... but it would be kinda sweet to hoist a belt or two also!

I know it's not likely, but it would be cool to have an I-C, US and ECW Title for each of the mini-quailifers and a world title for the big one

or am i dreaming?

It's an awesome dream, but at $200 to $300 a belt, I'll need some help making that a reality.

*Edit*
And this will be only of all the Raw Deal cards we know and love from the past right?
No virtual cards?

Correct. Bryson has mentioned possibly launching the virtual cards AT Gencon, but none of them would be legal for the tournaments. All the cards for Gencon are already available to the public.

[CRASHER]

I'd be willing to plunk down the $30 or so we used for just one Qualifier to help cover the costs of a multi-belt event

so you guess... $1200 for the belts by $30, you'd need 45 people total to sign up for the thing (and I would assume this would be done well ahead of time so no one gets screwed out of any money or things like that)... good thing we have till August!

[The Softcore Legend]

Hey all,

I'm not sure about "sending your replacement".  I think if you are going to hold RAW DEAL WORLDS at GENCON, and you have players at GENCON, why not fill in any vacant chairs with tournament winners and/or 2nd place winners of certain tournaments held at GENCON?  They would be like extra suprise bonus qualifiers.

By the way I think your player commitee endevor looks like it is off to a good start and I really hope that people will support it.  I know I will do my best to support it, and so will Meyerz.  Maybe the Mankind Invitational isn't dead after all...

One last thing about the prize support:

How about the toy belts or action figures or a case of beer?  It's for fun anyway!

A serious good prize for the world champ:  A full color printed playset of the latest VRD set.  (If they are formated into Mike Foley's Raw Deal Card images.)  About $60 to print off.

[neuromancer]

Sounds good to me.

Anyone want to come up with a list of proxy players for Singapore players? Or can we have an online game at the actual event, you know, on apprentice. Those there play via cards. Those not there play via apprentice with those who are there ar Gencon. I'm assuming people has a laptop and internet connection at Gencon

I don't think people here are able to pay S$1500 airfare + S$800 hotel + S$200 travel + S$100 Gencon passes to party wth you all.

I'm pretty much with this idea of playing with the people through apprentice. Players from Singapore really indeed wouldn't spend thousands just to party with you guys despite our passion. Also, playing through apprentice is a good thing. It moves Raw Deal to a new stage and greater heights. It also connects the players all over the world. I think it's a pretty solid idea to make rawdeal to a online game.

[frehocc]

When and where is Gencon by the way...?

I ...may... have some plans...

[JDub]

When and where is Gencon by the way...?

I ...may... have some plans...

Indiana Convention Center
100 S Capitol Ave
Indianapolis, IN 46225

August 14th-17th 2008

[AfroThunder]

Hey all,

I'm not sure about "sending your replacement".  I think if you are going to hold RAW DEAL WORLDS at GENCON, and you have players at GENCON, why not fill in any vacant chairs with tournament winners and/or 2nd place winners of certain tournaments held at GENCON?  They would be like extra suprise bonus qualifiers.

Winner.  If someone can't make, you get whoever came 2nd form the GenCon tourneys to fill in.  I know it'd be harder with 3 events held over the weekend, but that seems like the logical thing to do.

If you were going to send a replacement from your own city or something, you'd send whoever came in 2nd at the qualifier.  If 2nd can't make it, then third and so on.  You don't just pick someone randomly.

Also, I've already pencilled Mr Patching in for the win at the CCRQ.

[MLX]

Brian I got a replica belt or 2 I can toss in as Worlds prize support rather than people spending 30$ to play a dead game. 

[Antigoth]

Brian I got a replica belt or 2 I can toss in as Worlds prize support rather than people spending 30$ to play a dead game. 

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

'Nuff said?

Mr. Laroche rules as always. Does that mean that the MLX may make an appearance at Gencon?