Mauro Ranallo effect Vs Ole! & Sustained Damage

Started by Tim (From SG), June 24, 2022, 01:06:20 AM

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Tim (From SG)

Hi guys, got another question that I would like to clarify.

Let's say if I played a 10d move successfully for e.g. blindside tornado strike (10d strike), and my opponent play an Ole! in response to blank its text and damage, does the outside effect from Mauro get to trigger (shuffle up to 2 cards), before the damage gets blanked?

And also, if instead of Ole, my opponent reduces the damage of my 10d move to lower than 10d via sustained damage ace, does it prevent the shuffle 2 effect from Mauro? since the damage is no longer 10d, I presume Mauro effect can't trigger but I may be wrong.

Thanks much in advance for your advice on the above.


Card text for reference:

Mauro Ranallo: The Voice of NXT
Pre-match Event
Requirement: Allegiance: NXT
Cannot be packed by a Rookie.
When you successfully play a 10D+ maneuver or printed D:10+ reversal, shuffle up to 2 cards from your Ringside into your Arsenal. If the successful card is a High Risk, you may shuffle in 1 additional card. When NXT Takeover is in your Ring, you may then Promo: 2.
F: 0     D: 0     Unique     Permanent     NXT

ponder505

Both of your questions ultimately come down to applying the Timing Breakdown. Let's pick up the TB at the point where your maneuver is successful.

Quote from: The Almighty Timing Breakdown6 The card is now 'Successfully Played' and enters the Ring Area. If this card is reversing the card in question (it is not the first reversal to a Multi, it is not Over Sell Maneuver), the affected maneuver is now considered reversed. (Any text on the card and any Traits on the card are considered to be in your Ring Area after this step is complete. This excludes text that would modify or trigger in any of the first six steps.)
6a Some cards are put into the Ringside Pile or other area instead of going to the Ring Area (Iron Will etc.) The Timing Breakdown still continues as normal, these cards never enter the Ring Area. They will resolve during the text resolution (Step 8) at that time, and will still resolve to its destination even if blanked.

7a Effects you control (other than this card's text taking place when played or when successfully played) that trigger on a Successfully Played card take place. In the event of more than one effect, you choose which order they occur.
7b Effects your opponent controls that trigger on a Successfully Played card take place. Opponent chooses the order. (This is where cards such as Over Sell Maneuver and Sustained Damage are played.)

8 Apply effects listed on the card, unless these effects take place 'when played' or 'when this card is in' a specified area.

9a Chance for activated damage modification (Sustained Damage, Los Guerreros)
9b Damage is overturned one card at a time. Appropriate reversals may be overturned. (This is also the Step where cards are overturned for Raw & Ready, Over Sell Maneuver, and other cards that replace damage with overturning cards.)
9c Effects generated from resolving a maneuver's damage may be performed by the player of the original card (searching for a Chain card, for example)
9d Effects generated from resolving a maneuver's damage may be performed by the opponent (Jamie Noble's superstar ability, activating There's No Holding Me Back)
9e Any 'end the turn' effects are resolved, along with any effects triggered by ending the turn.

Mauro is an effect you control that triggers on a successful card. Your effects that meet that condition trigger in step 7a.

Ole is a card like Over Sell Maneuver, your opponent's card played after a card is successful. Those cards are played in step 7b.

Sustained Damage is activated to reduce damage in step 9a.

7a occurs before 7b and 9a, so Mauro goes first in both cases.
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Tim (From SG)

Thanks much Dilbert for the detailed explanation, appreciate it :)

Tim (From SG)

Hi guys, have a follow up question for Mauro Ranallo Vs Brock Lesnar's ability.

If I hit a 10d+ non RMS strike maneuver against Brock Lesnar successfully, his ability will reduce my strikes to 3d before Mauro's shuffle 2 effect can trigger. Is this correct?

Using the timing breakdown as reference, I would think so.

Brock's ability would trigger at step 2a, while Rauro's effect would only trigger st step 6. Do correct me if I'm wrong, thanks!

Here's the timing breakdown extracted from tco forum for easy reference:

Timing Breakdown
1 Play the card.
1a Reveal the card to all players and choose a target or targets for the card (if any.)

2a Determine the Fortitude cost for the card, including modifiers, the effects of the card's player first, then his opponent's effects. (Multiplication/division first, then addition/subtraction.) You may not play a card if you cannot meet the Fortitude cost, unless a 'when played' effect can lower the Fortitude cost; this effect can only be as a function of playing the card.
2b Determine that you can meet all of the 'must' requirements listed on the card.
2c Check that a Follow-up condition is met (if required), including any 'ignore the text' effects.
2d If any of these steps can not be satisfied, the sequence ends immediately and the card remains where it started. (It does not count as having been played.) If these steps are satisfied, the card moves to no area, and until the card is moved to another area, it is not in any area while resolving the Timing Breakdown.
2e Apply any 'when played' effects from the card's controller.
2f Apply any 'when played' effects from the opponent.

3a Apply damage modifiers from sources that you control. (Multiplication/division first, then addition/subtraction.)
3b Apply reversal modifiers of the card played.(self-plunging or maneuvers that bar reversals (Panics, Atomic Lariat, Shoots, etc.))

4 Apply damage modifiers from sources your targeted opponent controls. (Multiplication/division first, then addition/subtraction.)

5a Targeted opponent may play a reversal card or generate a reversal effect. (If he plays a reversal card, that card will follow its own Timing Breakdown sequence.)
5b If you played a card with Multi, targeted opponent may play or generate a second reversal after the first reversal has completed all effects and damage.
5c If the card is completely reversed, the Timing Breakdown ends.

6 The card is now 'Successfully Played' and enters the Ring Area.  If this card is reversing the card in question (it is not the first reversal to a Multi, it is not Over Sell Maneuver), the affected maneuver is now considered reversed. (Any text on the card and any Traits on the card are considered to be in your Ring Area after this step is complete. This excludes text that would modify or trigger in any of the first six steps.)

Hogtrail

Your instinct is correct. Brock knocks the damage down to 3 before the strike has a chance to be successful. So Mauro will not trigger.

ponder505

Brock's ability is a damage modification effect controlled by your opponent that is not coming from the text of his played reversal (which happens at the reversal's step 8) or from an activated effect (which happens at the maneuver's step 9a), so it applies at the maneuver's step 4, not step 2a, and Mauro's text is still an outside effect you control, which checks at the maneuver's step 7a, but the end result is the same. Mauro sees a maneuver reduced in damage to 3D and will not allow you to shuffle back.
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Tim (From SG)

Got it, thanks much for the clarification 🙂

Tim (From SG)

Hi guys, another question related to Mauro but this time with Braun Strowman running it. Understand Braun's ability says opponent's effects cannot reduce or blank his manevuers' damage. Hence, would it be correct to say that if Braun plays a Blindside Tornado Strike or a Cold-Cocked manevuer (both 10d or above strikes), the effects of Ole cannot blank the damage, and neither can sustained damage reduce the damage of the moves played by Braun. And likewise, Braun's strike moves are also not affected by Brock's ability and he can sponge 2 ringside cards when he hits either Blindside Tornado Strike or a Cold-Cocked manevuer.

Would appreciate if a confirmation or clarification could be made for the above follow-up query, thanks!

Here's the relevant card texts for easy reference:

Braun Strowman
Starting Hand Size: 12     Superstar Value: 2
Superstar Ability: Your opponent's effects cannot reduce or blank the damage of your maneuvers, and he does not draw or search his Arsenal for the effects of his non-Superstar-specific reversals.
You can pack As Big and Tough as Any Two Men (replace 'Kane' with 'Braun Strowman' in its text), No Sell Maneuver, Follow the Buzzards, and We're Here. Ignore the 'When you are packing...' text on A Revolution of the Mind.
You cannot pack Face, Heel, or BASH cards, or Corners.
VHS3

Olé!
Reversal: Special: Face
Cannot be packed by The Home Team.
Can only be played after your opponent successfully plays a non-unique non-Superstar Specific maneuver.
Blank that maneuver's text and damage for the rest of the turn, discard 1 card, shuffle up to 7 cards from your Ringside into your Arsenal, and he continues his turn.
F: 8     D: 0     Unique     Fan Favorite

Brock Lesnar (Superstar Card)
Starting Hand Size: 7
Superstar Value: 4
Superstar Ability:
Your opponent's Strike maneuvers played do no more than a maximum of 3D. You may play the card titled No Sell Maneuver.

Blindside Tornado Strike
Strike
You may play this card from your Ringside pile. When played from your Ringside pile, remove all Reversal cards in your Ring area from the game.
 F: 6      D: 10


Cold-cocked
Strike: Volley: 6
 If this card is not successfully played, put up to 2 other Volley cards from your Ringside pile into your hand. "I haven't seen JBL this mad since the last time the market crashed." - Tazz SV: 3
 F: 10      D: 12

Hogtrail

Your assumptions are all correct. Neither Ole, Sustained Damage or Brock Lesnar himself are immune to getting Braun's hands. Brauns strikes will always do full damage.

Tim (From SG)