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[kandyman]

Everyone has been asking about the raw deal cube recently.  I am posting it here as this introduction should answer any questions you may have.  

   Hey all.  James Kandziolka here.  I had left playing raw deal over the past five years or so to pursue other hobbies.  Recently, Pat Eshghy and I were on a road trip talking about cubes and how much we loved the WOW TCG Cube (another now dead card game).  The conversation turned into two little kids on Christmas morning talking about designing a raw deal cube. What started as just an idea consumed my mind over the past week and led me to design the following raw deal cube.  There is an additional step when cubing in raw deal, but I will describe it in detail a bit later.  Ultimately, raw deal was such an enjoyable card flopping moment in my life, and I know that a cube will allow future moments with old friends and card floppers to enjoy some sweet nostalgia while getting that card gaming fix.
   What is a cube?  For those of you who are new to the concept of a cube, the general concept is quite simple: a cube is a pool of cards that can be randomized, organized into packs, and used to draft. Regardless of the type of cube you prefer, the truth remains that cube drafting is one of the most skill-intensive limited formats around. The way that cubes are designed makes it so that each card in the pool is of a fairly similar quality. This creates an unusual situation where every card in all of the packs is at least considerable for a player's deck. You might expect that since each card is relatively good that the decisions are easier since you have more reasonable choices. The opposite is actually true. There are going to be cards that are much better in one deck type than another, even though both are still quite good.
   Raw deal had raw draft in the past.  This was the closest the game ever got to a limited format, but it would equate to a sealed deck format.  We tried drafting raw deal in the past, but you could tell it just was not designed to be drafted.  Loving the limited format in card games more than the constructed, I remember wanting this for raw deal back in the day.  Sadly, it was not really achievable.  Creating a cube would allow this once defeated idea to become a reality.  I can see the toughts of "Do I first pick Backlash since the odds of someone having that one Backlash in a cube is so low?" "Can I wheel these Face cards around the table?" "Should I jump out of some superstar specifics because I want to draft Raw when some of my superstar specifics are Smackdown?" This is also the first iteration of a raw deal cube, so I am looking for feedback and your thoughts.  Please comment and share what you like or dislike.  The better the feedback, the better the cube is for all of us.
   The current raw deal cube is 560 cards. I hand selected cards from the revolution sets to be in the cube.  There are only cards that interacted with pre-Revolution cards in the classic raw deal sense.  I am not knocking revolution era raw deal.  I just preferred to design my cube this way.  Feel free to use this first model to design your own cube off of it.  Strikes, grapples, and submissions are evenly distributed among the non-0 cost maneuvers.  There are high risks in the cube as well, but about 100 of the maneuvers in the cube cost 0 fortitude.  They are too crucial to play the game that we love.  I strongly recommend not pulling these out of the cube when designing your own.
   Completely randomize the cube.  This may take 10 minutes as you really want it shuffled up.  Each player will make 5 packs with 14 cards in each pack.  Once the packs are made you are ready to start drafting.  With most other games' cubes you just draft and build.  Raw deal has the added power of superstars and their specifics.  After some tweaks, there are 48 superstar sets to be played with the cube.  Certain superstars (Andre, Carlito, etc.) were excluded from the list of superstars due to their ability being too strong for gameplay.  You will see that there are only five cards attached to each superstar.  So how do we determine which superstar you are?  You randomly select a number of superstars equal to the number of people drafting the cube.  Now, players will be bidding a number from 1 to 5 on superstars and the cards in their pool.  Randomly determine who starts the bidding.  If you win Eddie Guerrero and his pool after bidding 3, you will select 3 of his superstar specifics in his pool to not have access to during deck building.  You determine which cards you won't use after you have drafted cards for your deck.  You don't do it right there on the spot in the bidding process.  Eventually the last person will get the last superstar, but they are not required to bid a number.  The advantage of getting the last pick is that you get access to all 5 superstar specifics where everyone else has to lose at least one.  Now you enter the draft portion.  Look at your first pack.  Pick one card.  Put it face down in front of you and pass the pack face down to your left.  Everyone else will be doing this at the same time.  Everyone does this for all 12 of their picks in pack one.  The cards you are picking are the cards you are building your deck with.  The second pack you will be doing the same thing except this pack goes to the right.  The third pack to the left.  The fourth pack to the right.  The last pack to the left.  Now you have sixty cards, your superstar, and some superstar specifics to build a deck.  Each player will also have access to 3 Step Aside, 3 Escape Move, 3 Break the Hold, 3 Oversell Maneuver/No Sell Maneuver (depending on your superstar), 1 Elbow to the Face, and 1 You're As Graceful As A Cow On Ice during deck building.  If the draft went bad for you reversal wise, don't worry as you have access to these reversals when you start deck building.  You do not have to use all or any of them.  You just have access to them like everyone else at this point in time.  Remember you are still restricted by the rules that you can not pack face cards while packing heel cards, raw cards while packing smackdown cards, and cheater cards while packing fan favorite cards.  The only adjustment to previous rules in the game is that female superstars are allowed to play multi maneuvers where they previously could not.  Basically, ignore the "can not be played by female superstars" text on multi maneuvers.  Now you build your deck and start playing some games.

[kandyman]

You don't need to get a full eight people to draft the cube.  You can do it with 4 or 6 players.  If you only have one other buddy with you to play, have no worries.  You can play a heads up sealed cube match where each of you get 7 packs of twelve cards and a choice between two random superstar with their cards as well as 3 Escape Move, 3 Step Aside, 3 Break the Hold, and 3 Oversell Maneuver/No Sell Maneuver to build your decks out of.  Before building your decks in heads up play you get to choose one of your 5 superstar cards.  Your opponent then gets to choose one of the four superstar cards you did not choose.  The card your opponent chose will not be a part of your deck or backlash deck.  I am sure there are other variants people can come up with as well.  The short list for cubing goes as follows.  1.  Randomly pick superstars and their superstar sets equal to the number of players.  2. Bid 1-5 on superstars players want except for the last pick (they get all 5 cards with their superstar).  3. Draft 5 packs of 12 cards each.  4. Determine which superstar cards you don't use equal to the number you bid.  5.  Build your deck with access to 12 additional reversals.  6.  Play and have fun.
   

[kandyman]

Superstar Sets
1.The Peoples Champ – Just Who In the Blue Hell Do You Think You Are? TB, Brahma Bull, Know You're Roll and Shut Your Mouth
2. The Rattlesnake – Unleash Hell, Do You Know What My Watch Says?, Do You Want A Hug?, Double Digits, Revolution Do I Have Your Attention?
3. The Game- Revolution Behold the King, Chyna Interferes, Cause I Am That Damn Good...., Paid, Laid and Made, I Am The Game Throwback
4.The Big Show – Showdown!, Mountain of a Man, Mine is Bigger Than Yours, You Can't Manhandle the Big Show, Welllll!!!!!!
5.John Cena – So You Think You're Untouchable, Word Life TB, Revolution I'm Tougher Than Nails , Revolution Knock Your Shell Off, Yo Kill Da Beat
6.Revolution Kane – Help's On the Way/Tori Enters the Fray, Revolution Get Ready To Burn In Hell, In the Presence of the Kanenites, Big Enough to Eat Somebody, Masked Vengeance
7.Revolution The Undertaker – Brothers til the End, Big Evil – Red Devil, The Dead Will Rise...Again, The Urn, Revolution The Lord of Darkness
8.RVD- Everything's Cool When You're..., Mr. Monday Night, R-V-D, Step Over Heel Kick, The Hidden Dragon: Balance
9.Right To Censor – Right to Interfere, Censorship Match, This Is Unacceptable Behavior, Censored, We're Here to Clean Up the World Wrestling Federation
10.Jeff Hardy – X-treme Sendoff, That's Suicide, Incite the Fans, Revolution X-treme Twist of Fate, Team X-treme
11.The Immortal One – I Am A Real American, Never Forgive-Never Forget, Violent Vendetta, Whatcha Gonna Do Brotha? Throwback, Managed by "The Mouth of the South" Jimmy Hart
12.The Highlight of the Night TB – Y2J, Superior Acrobatics, Highlight Reel, My Obscenely Expensive Jeritron, You Sanctimonious son of A B!tch,
13.DX – Chyna Interferes, The Icon The Showstoppa The Main Event, Sweet Chin Music, Revolution Triumph, All Things Are Possible
14.JBL – JBL's Limo, JBL's Clothesline From Hell, I Am A Wrestling God, JBL's Hat, Armageddon Is Upon Us
15.Brock Lesnar – Backstage Warm-Up Routine, F-5, Here Comes the Pain, The Next Big Thing, Collegiate Champions
16.Los Guerreros – We Lie- We Cheat- We Steal, Ultimo Rechazo!, Whatchoo Talkin Bout Ese?, Addicted to the Heat, Study For Your GED
17.The People's Team - Original WWE Icon TB, Rock's Spit Punch, Edge's Spear TB, Mutual Respect, You Bring the A%$, We'll Bring the Whoopin'!
18.X-treme Diva – If You've Got It Flaunt It, X-treme Thong, X-treme Hedonism, The Art of Persuasion, The Art of Persuasion
19.Sgt. Slaughter – Violent Vendetta, Cobra Clutch Throwback, The Motor Pool, Managed by "The Mouth of the South" Jimmy Hart, Through All These Years
20.Shelton Benjamin – Armageddon Is Upon Us, The World's Greatest Upset In the Making, Greco Roman Specialists, It's All About the Benjamins, Incredibe Athleticism
21.Million Dollar Man – Backed by Virgil, Managed by Jimmy "The Mouth of the South" Hart, Million Dollar Belt, Through All These Years, Living the Good Life
22.The Crippler – For Real, Toothless Aggression, Surprise Drop Kick, Big Stupid Grin, Pain Is Inevitable
23.Victoria – Managed by Stevie Richards, This Is Not Enough, Stevie Interferes, I Ain't the Lady to Mess With, All the things She Said...
24.Leader of the Edge Army Throwback – You Think You Know Me, Revolution On This Day I See Clearly, Big Slide Into the Ring, Big Slide Into the Ring, Big Slide Into the Ring
25.Rikishi – Raisin' the Roof, Drive-Rikishi-Drive, Gettin' Cheeky With It, Gettin' Cheeky With It, Gettin' Cheeky With It
26. The Heatseekers – On Your Home Turf, Divided You Fall, Should've Seen This Coming, Kokubetsu, I Know Cool...And You're Not Cool
27.Kurt Angle Throwback– The Kurt Angle Invitational, Where Are Your Medals, Collegiate Champions, First to Tap Match Throwback, Angle's Uppercut
28. Vince McMahon (updated ability not restricted on maneuvers) – The First Family of Professional Wrestling, A Dynasty's Destiny, I'm Vincent Kennedy McMahon Dammit, McMahon-Us, Interrupt-Us, Master of Promotion
29. The Hardy Boyz - That's Suicide (added Hardy Boyz logo), Team X-treme, Live for the Moment, Incite the Fans!, Matt Hardy's Patented Leg Drop
30. Rey Mysterio – Luche Libre Extravaganza, The Size Advantage, Too Fast For You, The West Coast Pop TB, Revolution Do It For My People
31.Dude Love – You Don't Want To Go Where I've Been, Three Faces of Foley, Feel the Love, Psychedelic Dance Fever, Tree of Woe
32."Rowdy" Roddy Piper – Managed by "The Mouth of the South" Jimmy Hart, Piper's Pit, Never Forgive-Never Forget, Through All These Years, Over Sell: Hot Rod Style
33. The Home Team - Never Back Down - Never Quit, The Shhhhh Chop, I Will Not Die, Because the Fans Demanded It, The Intensity of Ten Cities
34.Billy Gunn – Rico Enters, Tori Enters the Fray, The One Billy Gunn, I've Got Two Words For Ya!, The One and Only
35.Revolution Ric Flair (modified superstar ability: counts as a legend superstar) –Managed by Jimmy Hart, Diamonds Are Forever and So Is the Nature Boy, Stylin' Profilin' Limousine Ridin' Lear Jet Flyin', Paid Laid and Made, The Game Interferes Throwback
36. Babe of the Year - If You've Got It Flaunt It, Keys to the City, X-treme Hedonism, ...Time To Catch My Breath, Puppy Power!
37. Batista – Revolution I'll Chew them Up and Spit You Out, The Destroyer, Batista's Spinebuster, Paid, Laid, and Made, Spine Buster TB
38.Booker T – Managed by Sharmell, Tell Me You Didn't Just Say That, Spinneerooni, You Didn't Just Try That, Five Time x5
39. The Hurri-friends - Gregory Helms Ace Reporter, Straddle the Ropes, Stand Back There's A Hurricane Coming Through, Superior Leg Work TB, I Should've Been In That Magazine
40.Shane O'Mac – The First family of Professional Wrestling, Here Comes the Money Throwback, Hold On Hotshot, Armageddon Is Upon Us, Mean Streets Silver Spoon
41.Renee Dupree – Managed by Fifi, Fifi Interferes, Armageddon Is Upon Us, Le Bonsoir, Rene's Elbow Drop
42. The Dangerous Alliance - You Can't Stop 'em, Brock Lock, I'll Make You Tap, An Irresistible Force An Immovable Object, Bad to the Bone SS3
43. Jamie Noble – Managed by Nidia, Nidia Interferes, I'm Jamie Noble Boy, Cruiserweight Title Belt, Now I'm Gonna Get Some Respect
44. APA(yes they can play antics) – Beer Cards More Beer, Damn, Drinking Beer Raising Hell Kicking Ass, Clothesline From Hell, Dominator
45. Chyna – Ovicular Fortitude, 9th Wonder of the World, Chyna's Pedigree, I'd Rather Be In Chyna!, Chyna's Patented Low Blow
46. Buh-Buh Ray Dudley TB - Blood Is Thicker Than Wood, Greetings From Dudleyville TB, Dudley Tough, Brothers From Another Mother, Catatonic Stare
47. Torrie Wilson - WWE Centerfold of the Year, Torrie's DDT, The Boise Beauty, A Welcome Distraction, Strike A Pose
48. Doink - Through All These Years, Managed by Jimmy Hart, Living the Good Life, Who's Under the Paint, Pails O' Fun

[Steve Resk]

At first glance I thought, Chyna + multis i'de bid five on that, however, There are not many of them, and good players will counter draft the multis.

Assuming we have 8-10 do we cut to a top or does best record win?

[kandyman]

Cap it at eight and do single elimination.  I assume while drafting players will pay attention to what superstars are around the table and counter draft accordingly.  If chyna turns out to be too powerful then we can always drop her from the cube.  Nothing is set in stone.  Small changes and tweaks over time will just make the cube experience better.

[Daeva]

As usual, I agree with Jim 100%. The only thing that I could add is to use this Cube as a starting point and adjust it for what your players find fun. An evolving Cube that is personalized to fit your group will always be more fun than the basic template.

[kandyman]

Pre Match
1.   A No Show 2. Al Snow, Guest Ringside Announcer 3. Argue With Tony Chimel 4. Backed by Mr. McMahon TB 5. Banned From Ringside 6. Bitter Rivals 7. Dressed For Success 8. Duchess of Queensbury Rules 9. Fans Love An Underdog 10. Fans Love An Underdog TB 11. Frankie takes Ho-llywood 12. Givin' 'Em High Fives 13. Givin' 'Em High Fives TB 14. Gone-Not-Forgotten 15. Hell In A Cell Match 16. Houston, Texas 17. I'm Gonna Break You 18. Intercontinental title Belt Revo 19. It's Hard Being This Original 20. It's Showtime 21. It's Time For A Great American Bash 22. J.R. Style Clubberin' 23. Let's Get It On 24. Managed By Dawn Marie 25. Managed By Shane O'Mac TB 26. Managed By Stacy Keibler TB 27. Managed By Terri Runnels 28. Managed By The WWE Divas 29. Managed By Theodore Long 30. Managed By Torrie Wilson 31. Managed By Paul Heyman 32. Managed By Vince McMahon TB 33. Managed By William Regal 34. McMahon Family Jewels 35. Not On My Broadcast TB 36. Old School Manager 37. Old School Psychology 38. Old School Wrestling Match 39. Osaka, Japan 40. Pay-Per-View Main Event 41. Premiere Raw Superstar 42. Premiere Smackdown Superstar 43. Product Endorsements TB 44. Raleigh, North Carolina 45. Raw Intercontinental Title Belt 46. Raw or Smackdown-Pick A Brand 47. Raw Tag Team Title Belts 48. Smackdown Tag Team title Belts 49. Rules Were Meant To Be Broken 50. Perennial Fan Favorites 51. Sit Right Here And Bide My Time 52. Smackdown #1 Announcer Funaki TB 53. Taunt the Fans 54. The Champ Is Here 55. The Great American Bash 56. The Old Switcheroo 57. Trash Talkin' Interview TB 58. Underrated Superstar TB 59. United States Title Belt 60. Velocity 61. Vince McMahon, GRA 62. Vince McMahon Interferes 63. Washington, DC 64. WCW Title Belt 65. World Heavyweight Title Belt 66. WWE Championship Belt 67. WWE Raw Deal Championship Belt 68. WWE Spinner Belt 69. WWE United States Title Belt Revo 70. You Can't Spell "Funaki" Without F-U-N 71. World Wrestling Federation Women's Title Belt 72. I've Had More Championships Than You've Had Women 73. Underrated Superstar Non-TB 74. World Wrestling Federation Tag Team Title Belts 75. Indian Strap Match

Mid Match
1. Anybody Can Be King of This Town! 2. A Phoenix Rising 3. A Punch That'll Take Someone's Head Off 4. A Technical Shoot 5. Atomic Bear Hug 6. Backlash 7. Backstage Shenanigans 8. Break It Out, Break You Down, Breakin' Rules, Breakin' Ground 9. Change In Programming Lineup 10. Check This Out 11. Dirty Low Blow 12. Divas Revealed 13. Don't Mess With The Champ 14. Fan appreciation Day 15. For The Love Of The Game 16. Fortitude Surge 17. Glad someone Has My Back 18. Fully Loaded! 19. Get Off My Program! 20. Goodnight, Everybody! 21. Hitting the G-Spot 22. I'm Just Hitting My Stride 23. Introduce Your Brain To Your Mouth... 24. It's All For My Fans 25. It's Over 26. Keep Your Eyes Open Or It's Game Over 27. One For the Money 28. Maryse's French Finish 29. Out of Control 30. Outside Interference 31. Desperate Tag 32. Panic Assault 33. Panic Grab 34. Panic Throw 35. Pop You One 36. Precision Personified 37. Quick Poke 38. Ready To Fight 39. Really, That's Enough 40. Ring General 41. Grab the Ref 42. Shoot Counter 43. Silent, But Violent 44. Skirt the Issue 45. Suicide Plancha TB 46. Suicide Strike 47. Sustained Damage 48. Take It And Like It 49. Talk Is Cheap 50. Teaser Mode 51. That's Gonna Leave A Mark 52. That's Sub-optimal 53. The King Interferes 54. The Ref Got In The Way 55. The Road To Victory 56. The Sex, The Gods, The Freaks, The Frauds 57. There Can Only Be One Dominant Female In The WWE 58. This Is Between You And Me 59. This Is Going Nowhere Fast 60. This Is Just The Beginning 61. To The Rescue! 62. Took That On The Chin 63. Electric Chair 64. Trevor Murdoch Is Gonna Bash Your Brains In 65. Turn Up The Heat 66. Undermine the Competition 67. Unscrupulous S.O.B. 68. Victory Roll 69. When You Run The Show, You Make The Rules 70. You're As Graceful As A Cow On Ice 71. Reap the Rewards 72. Get What You're Expectin' 73. Don't Cross A McMahon 74. Restricted Use In This Area 75. Human Highlight Reel

Reversals
1. A Revolution of the Mind 2. Abdominal Rake 3. All Talk, No Action 4. Always Have A Plan B 5. Anything And Hate It 6. Ap Chaki Kick 7. Armageddon 8. Attitude Adjustment 9. Ax Kick 10. Back Fist 11. Back Rake 12. Backslide 13. Bash Evader 14. Blindsided Control 15. Blindsided Ego 16. Blown Spot 17. Booby Trap 18. Booby Trap TB 19. Borrring...Borrring...!!! 20. Brass "Nuks" Shot 21. Chained Heat 22. Clumsy Opponent 23. Death Valley Driver 24. Hot Tag! 25. Partner Interference 26. Divine Intervention 27. Don't Hate Da Playa, Hate Da Game 28. Don't Try This At Home 29. Dude, Try Something Else 30. Elbow To The Face 31. Enough With the Trash Talk TB 32. Ensugiri 33. Escape To The Side 34. Eye Rake 35. Faceplant 36. Faceplant TB 37. Fall Into the Corner 38. Flurry of Strikes 39. Get Back In The Ring 40. Get Out of Here! 41. Get the "F" Out 42. Giving Away the Business 43. Hebner Calls It 44. He's As Crazy As A Pet Raccoon 45. Hold the Phone 46. How Many Do You Need? 47. I Change the Questions 48. I Gotta Say Outta Play 49. I'm Sorry But You're Boring Me 50. Indian Deathlock 51. Inside Cradle 52. Insurrextion 53. Inverted Body Block 54. It's Great To Be Back Here In 55. Just Bring It! 56. Just What the Game Needs 57. Kick Out! TB 58. Knee To The Gut 59. Leg Drag TB 60. Let's Wrestle Already 61. Lift A Boot TB 62. Manager Interferes 63. Master Manipulator 64. Me Llamo Armando Alejandro Estrrrrrada 65. My Way Revo 66. Nerve Hold 67. Never Think Twice 68. No Chance In Hell 69. No Chance In Hell TB 70. Not On My Broadcast 71. Not Today, Pal! 72. Off Your Mark 73. Once Again, Kissing Up To the Stinking Fans 74. Once Is Enough 75. Overshot Your Mark 76. Power Slam TB 77. Quick Reflexes 78. Rapid-Fire Punches 79. Raw & Ready 80. Reach For the Ropes 81. In My Day A Maneuver Was A Maneuver 82. Reverse Clothesline 83. Revolving Takedown TB 84. Roll Out of the Way 85. Rolling Neck Breaker 86. Rolling Takedown 87. Sidewalk Slam TB 88. Sloppy...Very Sloppy 89. So Long...Goodbye! 90. Spine Buster 91. Spine Buster TB 92. Spot Adjustment 93. Strangle Hold 94. Strangle Hold TB 95. Swinging Neck Breaker TB 96. Takedown 97. That's Gonna Cost You! 98. That's Enough Out of You! 99. The Coach Says , "Today's the Day!" 100. The Price We Pay 101. The Raw Deal Revolution 102. The Return Bash For Scotty's W-O-R-M 103. There Are Two Things You Can Do 104. Too Many Rules and Too May Refs 105. Totally Bogus! 106. Two For the Show 107. Unexpected Turn Of Events 108. Volley This! 109. Welcome To My World 110. When Hell Freezes Over TB 111. Why Don't You Kiss My A%$? 112. You Can't Cheat An Honest Man 113. You Fight Like A Woman 114. "Cowboy" Bob Orton Interferes 115. 360-Degree Clothesline 116. Some Gals Don't Get Any Action

Actions/Antics
1. A Few Heel Men 2. A Spirited Turn of Events 3. Afterburn 4. Always 5. And the Crowd Roars 6.    
Backed By Stephanie McMahon 7. Backed By Theodore Long 8. Battling the Voices TB 9. Beating the Odds 10. Brave H 11. McMahon Family Values 12. Drastic Times - Drastic Measures 13. Candice: Internet Icon 14. The Inmates Aren't Running My Asylum 15. Caution: Dangerous Curves Ahead 16. Charismatic Style TB 17. Christy: Curvy Cutie 18. Comeback TB 19. Commision-er Rules! 20. Crowd Pleaser 21. Defensive Style TB 22. Divas! Divas! Divas! 23. Diversion 24. Diversion TB 25. Diving Takedown 26. Do You Know Who else Is Hot? 27. Don't Cross The Boss TB 28. Double Your Value-Double Your Fun 29. Drawing Extra Heat TB 30. Ego Boost 31. Enter the Stratusphere 32. Escape the Rules 33. Everyone Wants to Watch Women, Period 34. Explosion Raw Deal 35. Face the Music 36. Forget the Smackdown, Jabronie! 37. Four Now Go, Cat Go! 38. Give Me An SPIRIT 39. Go Candice, Come To Daddy 40. Grab the Mic TB 41. Great Power Brawl TB 42. Hardcore Tournament 43. I Can't Be Reading This Right 44. Iron Will 45. Iron Will TB 46. It Has Everything To Do With Me 47. J.R. Style Authentic BBQ Sauce! 48. J.R. Style Slobberknocker 49. Keibler Instincts 50. Let the Heeling Begin 51. Listen Loud and Clear 52. Little She Devil 53. Look Under the Ring 54. Mania 55. Maria: Ideal Interviewer 56. McMahon Family Values 57. Melina's Shoot Stretch 58. Mickie:Fervent Fanatic 59. Moongoose in the House 60. My New Gimmick 61. No One Wants To Watch Women Wrestle 62. Not Yet TB 63. Offer Handshake 64. Offer Handshake TB 65. One Of A Kind 66. Pass the Buck 67. Pulp Mania 68. Puppies! Puppies! 69. Puppies! Puppies! 70. Recovery 71. Roll Out of the Ring 72. Rumblings 73. Shake It Off TB 74. Shane O'Mac Delivers the Bash 75. Sharmell: Sizzling Spouse 76. She's Got Legs 77. Shock the World 78. Shoot Action 79. Simply the Best 80. Spit At Opponent 81. Stagger TB 82. Take It Back 83. Testicular Fortitude 84. That Won't Make the Cut 85. That's Balanced 86. That's Broken 87. The End Is Near 88. The Rub 89. The Show Must Go On 90. The Switch 91. This Has Gone Over By Three Minutes 92. Turn the Tide 93. Twisted Smile 94. Unforgiven TB 95. Where There's A Will, There's A Way 96. Who Booked This Match? TB 97. WWE The Power Is Back 98. You Feeling Lucky TB 99. You Talkin' To Me? 100. You're Fired, Playa!

Maneuvers

1. Abdominal Stretch TB 2. Ankle Breaker 3. Ankle Lock 4. Ankle Lock TB 5. Ankle Torque 6. Apply Legal Leverage TB 7. Arm Bar 8. Arm Bar Takedown 9. Arm Drag 10. Arm Wringer 11. Armed & Dangerous 12. Atomic Body Lock 13. Atomic Driver 14. Atomic Knee Drop 15. Atomic Lariat 16. Atomic Power Slam 17. Atomic Spine Buster 18. Back Breaker Torture Rack 19. Backhand Slap 20. Blatant Chokehold 21. Blindside Beal Toss 22. Blindside Choke 23. Blindside Drop Toe Hold 24. Blindside Elbow Drop 25. Blindside Hook 26. Blindside Kick 27. Blindside Tornado Strike 28. Boot Lace 29. Bow & Arrow TB 30. Bulldog 31. Bulldog Takedwon TB 32. Chair Shot 33. Chest Lock Drop 34. Chick Kick 35. Chicken Wing TB 36. Chin Lock TB 37. Choke Hold TB 38. Chop 39. Chop to the Chest TB 40. Chump Punch 41. Clutch Onto Opponent 42. Cold-Cocked 43. Cranial Crunch 44. Double Clothesline Takedown 45. Double Leg Takedown 46. Double Leg Takedown TB 47. Double Underhook Back Breaker 48. Double Underhook Power Bomb 49. Drop Toe Hold 50. Dynamic Finisher 51. Dynamic Punch 52. European Uppercut TB 53. Face Stretch 54. Fall-Away Suplex TB 55. Figure Four Leg Lock TB 56. Fireman's Carry 57. Fisherman's Suplex 58. Fisticuffs 59. Flip 60. Flying Clothesline TB 61. Flying Leg Scissors 62. Forearm Shot 63. Front Chacnery 64. Fujiwara Arm Bar 65. Full Nelson Slam TB 66. Garbage Can Lid TB 67. German Suplex TB 68. Girly Grab 69. Grab 70. Guillotine Stretch 71. Guillotine Stretch TB 72. Gut Punch TB 73. Gut Punch Body Slam 74. Hair Pull TB 75. Handcuffed 76. Head Butt 77. Head Vise TB 78. Headlock Takedown 79. Hip Toss 80. Hurricane Clothesline 81. Inverted Leg Lock 82. Jab 83. Japanese Arm Drag TB 84. Jaw Jammer 85. Judo Choke 86. Judo Choke TB 87. Judo Takedown 88. Judo Thrust  89. Kick 90. Kick TB 91. Kidney Punch 92. Knee Lift TB 93. Knee Smash 94. Knife-Edge Chop 95. Knife-Edge Chop TB 96. Lariat 97. Lariat Takedown 98. Leg Drop TB 99. Leg Lock 100. Let Me Get A Shot In 101. Lock-Up 102. Modified Clutch Onto Opponent 103. Moonsault TB 104. Neck Breaker 105. Overhand Chairshot 106. Precision Clothesline 107. Precision Haymaker 108. Precision Kick 109. Precision Knee Drop 110. Precision Leg Lock 111. Precision Power Slam 112. Precision Reverse Neck Breaker 113. Precision Sleeper 114. Pretzel Jerk 115. Poke 116. Powerbomb TB 117. Pump Kick 118. Punch 119. Punch After Punch 120. Quick Follow Through 121. Quick Snap Body Slam 122. Rest Hold 123. Reverse Fall-Away Slam 124. Rolling Headlock Vise 125. Rolling Hip Toss 126. Roundhouse Kick 127. Running Lariat 128. Running Spinebuster 129. Samoan Drop 130. Scoop Slam 131. Scoop Slam TB 132. Shake 133. Sharpshooter TB 134. Shoot Double Arm Lock 135. Shoot Forearm 136. Shoot Headlock 137. Shoot Lock-Up 138. Shoot Punch 139. Shoot Russian Leg Sweep 140. Shoot Slam 141. Shoot Suplex 142. Short Arm Hammerlock 143. Short Arm Hammerlock TB 144. Short Arm Rib Breaker 145. Shoulder Block 146. Shoulder Block TB 147. Show & Go 148. Side Headlock 149. Single Leg Takedown 150. Slam Bomb 151. Slap 152. Slap the Taste Out of Your Mouth 153. Slingshot Into the Ringpost 154. Snap Neckbreaker 155. Snap Suplex TB 156. Spinning Crescent Kick 157. Spinning Kick 158. Standing Drop Kick 159. Standing Drop Kick TB 160. Standing Side Headlock 161. Steel Chain Shot TB 162. Straight Clothesline 163. Struck By A Kendo Stick TB 164. Sucker Punch 165. Suicide Dive 166. Suicide Lariat 167. Super Hold 168. Super Punch 169. Superkick 170. Suplex 171. Take Your Own Medicine 172. Technical Drop Kick 173. Technical Monkey Flip 174. Technical Power Bomb 175. Technical Slam 176. Technical Stomp 177. The Finisher 178. The Maneuver of Doom 179. Throw 180. Thunder Bulldog 181. Tornado Takedown of Doom 182. Torture Rack TB 183. Trash Can 184. Triangle Choke 185. Vise Lock 186. Waist Lock 187. Waist lock TB 188. What A Maneuver! 189. Wheelbarrow Slam 190. Whirling Backhand 191. Within Your Grasp 192. Wraparound Wrist Lock 193. Wrist Lock

[kandyman]

The cube has been upgraded to 560 cards to fuel a full 8 man draft pod with 5 packs of 14 cards each.  New modifications include no superstar is restricted on playing cards.  Male superstars can play girly grab, chick kick, etc.  Female superstars can play multi maneuvers.  APA still can not play actions in their main deck.  Cheater/Fan Favorite/Bash rule are all ignored for the purpose of the cube.  There were not enough cards released for these types out of all the sets printed in Raw Deal, so there should not be deck building restrictions based on these cards.  Face/Heel and Raw/Smackdown deck building rules still apply. Superstar sets will be updated shortly.  The post above this shows the new upgraded 560 card cube.

[TheGreatWhiteDope]

Played in two of these at Gencon this weekend (John Cena = AMAZING).

We need to sticky this and make it a regular format of some sort. I don't care how, this needs to be an official thing.

[Buddha Dudley]

Seconded on stickyness

Building my own Cube for West Coast.  Pretty much going to demand we start playing this, as it's so much fun.

[TheGreatWhiteDope]

This thing could use with some formatting, though.

Luckily, got a program for that. Next up....8-way connection for a Lackey cube...somehow.

[KD8ESU]

Played in two of these at Gencon this weekend (John Cena = AMAZING).

We need to sticky this and make it a regular format of some sort. I don't care how, this needs to be an official thing.

I got playing someone else's <R> Kane after 1 round on Sunday.

To be fair, I did kinda bone myself on Jeff Hardy during the first one.



But yea, we need to have a Cube format next year as an official tournament for Gen Con.  If I can go (and defend the SuperShow Champinship), I will put my name down for it.

[MrPeoplesTeam]

I built the cube itself on lackey, even added in a second virtual lackey build as well. only problem is once the drafting is done how you actually build the deck and play someone else since you would have to leave the screen, you can't save the decks after drafting

[Buddha Dudley]

My head is going to hurt when I try to add Virtual to it and keep the balance. But I always was up for a challenge.

[kandyman]

Use the cube list further down this thread as the more up to date one.  Second Wind has been taken out for Grab the Ref for more anti-plunging and other shenanigans for all those heels out there.  Here are the changes that are currently made for a virtual cube.  Maybe there are some cards I have overlooked, but these are the current additions for a virtual cube.

Take Out:
booby trap TB
Two!
revolution never think twice
disqualification
ref ko'd
didn't i already fire you
you're fired
i'm sorry, but you're boring me
I'm Giving you a Chance
Feel the fire
J.R. Style Authentic BBQ Sauce
Revo Where There's A Will there's A Way
revo Nothing Left to Lose
It's Your Own Fault
Caught Red Handed
Sparks of glory
Quick Count Ref
Now or Never
For the Love of God Why King Why
Unforgiven TB
Moongoose in the house
By Any Means Necessary
Calculated Revenge
Great Power Brawl TB
McMahon Family Values

Add In:
Whirlwind Kick
X-treme Dive Over the Ropes
Carlito Says "That's Not Cool"
Stop Trying To Hit Me and Hit Me
Here Comes the Cavalry!
I'll Taunt You...Then I'll Bash You!
Taunted by Chanting Fans
I'm Going to Bash Your Brains In!
Dirty Low Blow TB
Classic Teamwork
Overrated Superstar
Backhand Slap TB
Back Throw
Hold On! It's Not Time to Show Yet! TB
Night of Champions
Time to Take Out the Trash
You're A Jive Soul Bro!
Shocking Interference
Win If You Can, Lose If You Must, But Always Cheat
A Legendary Comeback
Eat Your Words
Don't Be A Douchebag
Evening Up the Odds
Baghdad, Iraq
Turning Everything Upside Down

[CRASHER]

ooohhhh, evening up the Odds is a game-changer in draft where hand size is sooo crucial

[MrPeoplesTeam]

that hits pretty nice James, i'll look tomorrow to see if theres anything else to possibly put in that won't be so damaging

Given adding in virtual does that mean a virtual Cube draft goes by the pack 12-12 play 6-6 backlash?

[Buddha Dudley]

that hits pretty nice James, i'll look tomorrow to see if theres anything else to possibly put in that won't be so damaging

Given adding in virtual does that mean a virtual Cube draft goes by the pack 12-12 play 6-6 backlash?

I wouldn't add the 12-12 play 6-6 unless you add more cards from packs... With Virtual I'd try it first with 10-10 play 5-5 and going from there to see if it needs to get bigger, which these cards don't really necessitate doing.

[kandyman]

Some new positive updates for the cube. Players will have access to one elbow to the face and one you're as graceful as a cow on ice during deckbuilding.  There is still an elbow and a cow in the cube.  Cow is not active for the purposes of the cube so you can have two in play if you happen to draft the other cow.  Volley this was considered, but cow answers the same problem volley this was trying to address.  There are some new superstars with their sets updated and some new cards added to the cube for some of the duds to enhance synergies with high risks and solid picks all around.  I will post the updated list over the next week or so.

[Jdawg2112]

Question:  How do you make sure that the packs people draw from have enough pre-match, mid-match and other cards? If you have 6 players you will only be using 300 of the cards in the cube, do you shuffle everything together than deal out cards?

Thanks..............John

[kandyman]

Yeah.  You shuffle it up.  It is all randomized.  There haven't really been backlash deck issues even with four people

[Gnipp]

If you don't have access to any Revolution cards, what would be a recommended starting cube?

[kandyman]

The number of revolution cards in the cube is rather slim.  Probably, 20-30 cards.  I would recommend just replacing those with cards you remember enjoying playing with that are not on the current cube list.

[kaiten619]

what would be the ideal cube size for a 4 man cube draft? i plan to build virtual classic format only cube

[ponder505]

what would be the ideal cube size for a 4 man cube draft? i plan to build virtual classic format only cube

I'd recommend building a full cube as described here, with whatever changes you feel appropriate to make it VC. Having the larger pool of cards to construct packs out of makes each draft a bit more random and individualized, so it's not as easy to project who might have what based on what you've seen going around (there are more cards that could theoretically have come out of packs before you see them, frex, since you also have to account for the cards not pulled out of the box to form into packs.) If there's a money/space/sleeves issue, then you could reasonably get away with as few as 300 draftable cards (15 cards per pack times 5 packs times 4 players) plus however many superstar options you want to include, but I recommend creating the full experience, and then simplifying from there.