Hi all, firstly this question is for the play test team so admins pls feel free to move this thread to the correct place if posted wrongly.

To the main topic. Followed by the newly released classic gorilla press slam. Will there be plans to incorporate existing classic title submission maneuvers like e.g. arm bar/ wrist lock to be also consider as the original maneuver counterparts?

Main reason is that b2b maneuver could use of some refresh on their maneuver base.

Quote from: Hogtrail on December 05, 2022, 05:44:15 PM+10f and +10D is one effect

Again what does the +10f do? E.g judo choke now becomes 10f/13d or its a plunging effect?

Quote from: CRASHER on December 05, 2022, 10:27:02 AMJudo maneuver means "any maneuver with judo in the title" so thrust, choke, takedown  ..... and i think theres a classic one too

I mean what does the +10f do?

No Nonsense Power Walk
Backstage Area
Each turn, when you play your first maneuver with 'judo' in the title, choose 1: it is Chain; it is Multi; or it is +10F, +10D, and +1 Stun.
Unique    RMS
V10


In the above card text, +10f refers to "judo" maneuver itself +10f? Or what does it refers?

Quote from: CRASHER on November 28, 2022, 12:48:58 PMI was playing the rattlesnake with Rollins and i had overturned two technical moves in the pre, which made my search for 10 technicals fail which made me have to hide   the technical backstage creating basically an auto loss....we don't want to design cards you build entire decks around be that easily blown up like that

Ah ok. I get that frustration. Although as a long time pilot of rattlesnake, i sometimes wished his backstage didn get his ability reworded instead as well. With his newly worded backstage for condemned. Well.. lets just say he's becoming abit rigid.

Quote from: CRASHER on November 28, 2022, 07:53:55 AMCurrently?? I don't believe so (maybe Team HELL NO on their backstage but I forget when that triggers).... this is more future proofing in case we do something silly that does that, w had found some bad matchups in the last bWo for technical and dynamic and just wanted to close the hole!

Pls don mind me asking. What was the loophole that happen previously?

Hi all, moving forward from the new revised wordings on a batch of cards. It has come to my curiosity with 2 cards;

Great Technical prowess and dynamically inclined.

Understood from the wordings that there is no typo errors and that its intended to be search before the drawing phase therefore the added packing restriction of b2b.

My questions is it possible to even have cards in the ringside pile way before any prematch phase where you only just revealed your backstage cards?

Below cards for reference. Admins pls do assist to move this thread if its in the wrong page. Thanks

Great Technical Prowess
Backstage Card
Cannot be packed by Doink, or when packing Back to Basics or "Dynamic" cards.
Arsenal / Ringside Search 10 non-Unique printed "Technical" maneuvers and put them under this card;  if you do not, hide this card. At the end of the Pre-match Phase, put 1 card under this card into your hand, and shuffle the other cards into your Arsenal.
Your Technically Sound and Brutal is Active, Unique, Permanent, and double the numbers in the text.
When you have equal or lower Fortitude and your printed "Technical" maneuver is unsuccessful, Arsenal Search 1 printed "Technical" maneuver.
Unique     RMS     (Rev. 2022)
V12

Dynamically Inclined
Backstage Card
Cannot be packed by Doink or when packing Back to Basics.
Arsenal/Ringside Search 10 non-Trademark-Finisher "Dynamic" maneuvers and put them under this card; if you do not, hide this card. At the end of the Pre-match Phase, put 1 card under this card in your hand, and shuffle the other cards into your Arsenal.
Your Pre-match Capacity is +1 for each The Luck of The Draw card in your Ring greater than 1.
Your non-Unique "Dynamic" maneuvers are -3F and +2D.
When you have lower Fortitude, your opponent is considered to have double the number of reversals in his Ring for your effects with "dynamic" in the title or text.
Unique     RMS     (Rev. 2022)
V5

Quote from: dilbert505 on November 20, 2022, 10:17:07 PMI had started my answer before you edited Apron Bomb into your original post, so while what I said answered the original post, it didn't answer anything related to Apron Bomb.

That card does not look for Backstage cards, but for cards in the Backstage. A Superstar or Enforcer card with Bomb in the text would count.

Ahh My bad. But thanks alot for the clarifications.

Quote from: dilbert505 on November 20, 2022, 09:14:10 PMNo. "Backstage card" is a card type, and only cards that have that card type count as such for card effects, unless another card specifically says it does. There are other cards that are packed in the Backstage that are not Backstage cards, such as Superstar cards and Enforcers.

So to quote your explainations and to the abovementioned apron bomb. Does face cards counts as superstar specific cards for apron bomb because it doesnt state backstage cards instead it counts for superstar specific cards and face cards technically counts as 1 since it has its own logo on it.

Hi all, need some clarifications.
Since goldberg and chyna reversing ability counts as reversing from backstage. Does face cards count as superstar specific backstage cards for card effects? Below card text for reference.

Apron Bomb
Grapple + Grapple
When you have a Superstar-specific card in your Backstage with "Bomb" in the title or text, or you are Kevin Owens, this card is a Trademark Finisher instead.
Can only be played as a Counter (Arsenal) or if Roll Out of the Ring is in any Ring.
Discard 2 cards and your opponent discards 5 cards.
F: 30     D: 20     SV: 3     Unique     Multi     RMS     Cheater
V11

Hi all. Need another clarification.
How will frankie effect cards effect like "You may play hybrid reversals as if they are D:0 and/or non-hybrid; when you do and that reversal is not Superstar-specific, it deals a maximum of 4D."

1. Will non-ss reversals still be able to play as if D:0 &/ non-hybrids?

2. Will frankie overwrite the maximum 4D limit?

Quote from: Hogtrail on November 12, 2022, 07:31:41 PMYes. He'll need a Once Is Enough in his ring before he can play Surge against Abe Washington, though.

Thanks for the clarifications

Hi all. Need some clarifications. Is "fortitude surge" playable in the scenarios where your opponents has "the abraham washington show" or " a foundation of old school wrestling" in ring?

Below card text reference.

Fortitude Surge
Mid-match Reversal: Special
Can only be played if your opponent is playing or using a card that applies a modifier to your reversals. Opponent continues his turn.
When this card is in your Ring area, you may place it in your Ringside pile and your Reversal cards are unaffected by any Fortitude modifiers for the remainder of the turn.
F: 0      D: 0

A Foundation of Old School Wrestling
Pre-match Event
Can be played during any Pre-match Phase.
When Back to Basics is in your Ring, your Pre-match and Mid-match Capacity is +1, and your opponent's cards cannot prevent you from playing cards with 'old school' in the title.
ACE: When playing a maneuver from under Back to Basics 'as if from hand' and you do not have a Face card in your Ring, his non-F: 0 reversals to it are +#F, where # is double the number of Old School Beating cards in your Ring; once during each of your turns, you may also remove 1 Old School Beating in your Ring from the game and then # is doubled and your maneuver is -#F.
F: 0     D: 0     Unique     Permanent     RMS
V7

The Abraham Washington Show
Pre-match Event
Cannot be packed by The Heat Seekers.
When you are an Extremist, this card does not take up a Pre-match slot in your Ring and your opponent's Starting Hand Size is -1.
At the end of the Pre-match phase, search your Arsenal for 1 Heel Action, reveal it, put it in your hand, and shuffle.
The first Heel Action played on each of your turns is Multi when you do not have a card with that title in your Ring, and ignore "completely" on his reversal cards played to it.
His Once is Enough cards are +10F for each copy in his Ring.
F: 0     D: 0     Unique
V3

Quote from: Hogtrail on October 28, 2022, 12:33:34 PMYes. Any instance of discarding from your hand will allow you to draw that many

Alright thanks for the clarification!

Quote from: Hogtrail on October 28, 2022, 10:05:51 AMAny time you discard, you can draw that many after.

If you want to sustain the damage by -6, you would discard 3 and then draw 3

Understood with the above. But how about cards effect like booby trap tb or even I won't be denied? Does it also applies?

Hi all, need some clarifications. Does Road dogg's let make some noise draws for those effect that let you discard? E.g. sustained damage and cards with "may discard" like "booby traps"/ vc support "i won't be denied"?

A few Exact card text below for reference

Let's Make Some Noise ...
Action
When this card is in your Ring area, whenever you must discard a card from your hand; you must discard, but you may then draw 1 card for each card discarded.
F: 10     D: 0     Unique
FL

Sustained Damage
Mid-match Reversal: Special
Can only be played after a successfully played maneuver.
When this card is in your Ring area, before damage has been applied from a card successfully played by your opponent, you can discard any number of cards to reduce the damage by 2 for each card discarded.
(Activated Card Effect Symbol)
Unique
F: 0      D: 0

Booby Trap (TB)
Reversal: Special
Whenever a card causes you to discard this card, your opponent discards 1 card.
When your opponent successfully plays a card that lets him see your hand, you may discard this card and he discards 2 cards.
When overturned by an Action card or Pre-match card, reverse that card and end your opponent's turn. You may put this card into your hand.
F: 2      D: 0

I Won't Be Denied!
Pre-match Allegiance: Smackdown
When packing this card, your Sit Right Here and Bide My Time and Break It Out, Break You Down, Breakin' Rules, Breakin' Ground are Unique.
Can be played regardless of The Boogeyman's Ability
Your Sit Right Here And Bide My Time does not take up a Pre-Match slot in your Ring and cannot be blanked; your non-unique Smackdown cards are -3F.
ACE: Once during each of your turns when your opponent reverses your card, you may discard 3 cards and overturn 3 cards and then continue your turn; your next card played this turn can only be a Smackdown card and you may ignore the "Can only be played..." text on it; after damage is applied from that card, end your turn.
F: 0     D: 0     Unique     Permanent     RMS     Smackdown
V5

Quote from: Hogtrail on October 21, 2022, 03:02:45 PMYou cannot pack WANYK with any Superstar-specific card that is Raw/Smackdown/WWF/ECW/WCW/nWo.

Alright thanks for the clarification.

Hi all. Is "we are not your kind" printed as it is - (mainly the packing restrictions.) Or is there any exception like BASH where they can still pack SS cards with printed raw/sd/classic wf/nwo/wcw logos?

Need some clarifications. Thanks in advance. Card text below for reference.

We Are Not Your Kind
Pre-match Allegiance: NXT
When packing this card you cannot pack Raw, Smackdown, Classic WWF, ECW, WCW, or nWo cards, From NXT to WWE, or NXT Arrival.
Your NXT Mid-match and non-Object NXT Pre-match cards do not take up slots in your Ring.
ACE: When your NXT Mid-match card is unsuccessful, you may discard 2 cards and then put it into your Backlash regardless of other effects.
F: 0     D: 0     Unique     Permanent     NXT
V1

Will need time to digest the list's path of thought. Thanks for the inputs. Appreciate much!

Quote from: Hogtrail on October 13, 2022, 10:06:14 PMHere's a build I made not too long ago that worked well in the one game I played with it

Backstage
1x The Texas Rattlesnake
1x Legendary Defense
1x Backstage Signature
1x WWE Raw Deal Fifth Anniversary
1x WWE Signing Appearance
1x Raw Deal Tenth Anniversary
1x Backstage Autograph Session
1x The New Legends of the WWE
1x Tough Enough Head Trainer
1x Enough Shenanigans!
1x Really, That's Enough Shenanigans
1x No More Shenanigans
1x Old School Shenanigans
1x Celebrity Shenanigans
1x Defeating Villainous Shenanigans
1x Nostalgia Shenanigans
1x Fans Love Shenanigans

Backlash Deck
1x We Burn It to the Ground Tonight
1x Old School Cage Match
1x Premiere Raw Superstar
1x I've Had More Championships than You've Had Women
1x World Heavyweight Title Belt
1x Raw Intercontinental Title Belt
1x United States Title Belt
1x Raw Reunion
1x Through All of These Years
1x A No Show
1x Night of Champions
1x Let's Get It On!
1x You're as Graceful as a Cow on Ice
1x And That's the Bottom Line ...
1x How About a Beer?
1x Dirty Low Blow
1x Restricted Use in This Area
1x The Road to Victory
1x Unscrupulous S.O.B.
1x Undermine the Competition
1x Living the Good Life
1x Your Reach Exceeds Your Grasp
1x Sustained Damage
1x How Important Is It?

Arsenal
1x Tough Enough
1x Open Up a Can of Whoop-Ass
1x Lou Thesz Press
1x Rattlesnake Rulz
1x ...Walk It Dry
1x Can of Beer
1x Unleash Hell
1x Don't Trust Nobody
1x Double Digits
1x Stomp a Mudhole...
1x ...'Cause Stone Cold Said So!
1x Austin Elbow Smash
1x The ToughEST
1x Stone Cold Stunner
1x Don't be a Douchebag!
1x Carlito Says 'That's Not Cool!'
3x Manager Interferes
3x Get the 'F' Out!
3x Elbow to the Face
2x Don't Try This at Home
1x The Raw Deal Revolution
1x Legendary Ruthlessness
1x Divine Intervention
1x You Missed Your Chance
3x Volley This!
1x Here Comes the Cavalry!
1x Sidewalk Slam
1x In My Day, a Maneuver Was a Maneuver
1x Step Aside
1x Escape Move
1x Break the Hold
3x No Sell Maneuver
1x From the Mind of Eric Bischoff
1x Overhand Chairshot
1x This Has Gone Over By ... Three Minutes
3x Roundhouse Kick
3x Ankle Breaker
1x Beat You Raw
2x Where's the Payoff?
2x Booby Trap
2x Standing Drop Kick
1x Lift a Boot

Hi all, would like to know if anyone has any success in building the texas rattlesnake followed by the balancing? Now that chain is not viable. Would like to garner some out of the box ideas from you all.

Any comments on the path is welcome. Thanks in advance. Cheers!

Quote from: dilbert505 on September 07, 2022, 10:16:09 AMCopying in the card text:

You Fight Like a Woman
Reversal: Special

Reverse any card that would force you to overturn any number of cards or, when overturned by a non-damage card effect, even during the Pre-match phase, reverse the effect or, when your opponent is a Female Superstar, reverse any non-unique maneuver. End your opponent's turn.

When your opponent is a non-Diva Superstar, you may look at his hand, choose 1 card, and he discards the card chosen.
F: 0      D: 0

Card text on overturned reversals does not apply unless specified. In this case, because the choose and discard effect is a separate paragraph, that text only applies if YFLAW is played to the Ring; it does not work upon overturn.

Alright thanks for the clarification.

Hi all,

Recently i came across this card you fight like a woman - thus wondering the effect of looking at your opponent's hand effect still applies while overturning for non damaging effect or not (assuming opponent is non diva)

Thanks all in advance.

Ahh thanks for the clarifications

Quote from: dilbert505 on August 13, 2022, 09:51:59 PMChain is a reversal restriction. It comes from a trait, not a card, which matters in some other cases, but CHO doesn't ask about your card effects; it asks about your effects. Chain would shut off CHO, unless your opponent gives your cards Chain somehow.

So i would assumed that in this case, lashley's chain maneuvers does get the -#F = +#D yes?

Thanks hogtrail.


An addition to the above question. Is chain consider a reversal restriction for the CHO officer damage addition effect?