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Submission Wrestling Specialist Replacement Effect
« on: March 05, 2019, 04:14:53 PM »
Submission Wrestling Specialist
Pre-match Event
Cannot be blanked.
At the end of the Pre-match phase, search your Arsenal for 1 non-Unique Submission without 'reverse' in the text, reveal it, put it in your hand, and shuffle.
When you would play a printed F: 0 Submission for Panic Grab, you may play a non-unique printed F: 0 maneuver instead, but you cannot put I Have 'til FIVE! into your Ring this turn.
F: 0     D: 0     Unique     Permanent

Panic Grab
Mid-Match Submission

Can only be played when your Fortitude Rating is less than your opponent’s Fortitude Rating. Can only be played with a printed F:0 Submission maneuver of printed 4D or less from your hand. He cannot play the card titled Over Sell Maneuver immediately after you play these cards.
Unless both maneuvers are reversed when played, both are considered successfully played and both go into your Ring area. Unless both cards are reversed, your turn continues.

¶ (Restricted Modification Symbol)
F: 0      D: 3

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How much replacing does the replacement effect on SWS do? There are three possible ways I can see to read this card, and I'm not positive I can tell which one is correct.

1) You may replace "a printed F:0 Submission" with "a non-unique printed F:0 maneuver." The non-unique must be 4D-, and played from hand. - If the replacement effect is only able to replace the specific part reiterated on SWS, this would be the correct answer.

2) You may replace "a printed F:0 Submission of printed 4D-" with "a non-unique printed F:0 maneuver." The non unique must be played from hand. - If the replacement effect can replace the card referenced, and all of the criteria inherent to the card, but not other play restrictions, this would be the correct answer.

3) You may replace "a printed F:0 Submission of printed 4D- played from your hand" with "a non-unique printed F:0 maneuver." The non-unique may be played from any zone. - If the replacement effect replaces every characteristic of the card specified on Panic Grab with the criteria listed on SWS, this would be the correct answer.

Which is the appropriate reading? I'm hoping it's 3, but 1 seems equally plausible to me. (2 seems possible, but not as likely as the other two; I suspect it's either "replace everything" or "replace just this specific thing.")
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Re: Submission Wrestling Specialist Replacement Effect
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2019, 07:35:26 PM »
It's 3. The wording is wonky to get around the RMS, but Submission Wrestling Specialist scams any non-unique printed 0F maneuver into being Panic Grab fodder. Damage and zone are irrelevant.
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Re: Submission Wrestling Specialist Replacement Effect
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2019, 07:46:01 PM »
So one could theoretically play panic grab x 3 + panic throw + a F:0 strike of D:3-?
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Re: Submission Wrestling Specialist Replacement Effect
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2019, 08:44:41 PM »
Holy cow. That opens up a floodgate of Panic abuse for DB. All hail the NEW heel vegan Daniel Bryan!

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Re: Submission Wrestling Specialist Replacement Effect
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2019, 01:16:11 PM »
Hold tight on this one, folks. We're working on it.
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Re: Submission Wrestling Specialist Replacement Effect
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2019, 02:23:41 PM »
OK, I've conferred with Creed, and here's what we came up with: the intention is that the maneuvers for Submission Wrestling Specialist should still have to come from the hand (so Dilbert's option 2). The text doesn't communicate that well enough, so I'm issuing immediate errata:

Submission Wrestling Specialist
Pre-match Event
Cannot be blanked.
At the end of the Pre-match phase, search your Arsenal for 1 non-Unique Submission without 'reverse' in the text, reveal it, put it in your hand, and shuffle.
When you would play a printed F: 0 Submission for Panic Grab, you may play a non-unique printed F: 0 maneuver from your hand instead, but you cannot put I Have 'til FIVE! into your Ring this turn.
F: 0     D: 0     Unique     Permanent

No chaining Panics, but you can use whatever printed 0F maneuvers from hand you want with Panic Grab. This errata comes into effect immediately.
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Re: Submission Wrestling Specialist Replacement Effect
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2019, 03:20:33 PM »
And with that, my dream of Blindside Daniel Bryan suddenly becomes much more terrible. Thanks a ton, guys.  :'(

Obvious joke aside, thanks for the clarification. Now I can get my deck built without wondering what will and won't work with the card.
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Re: Submission Wrestling Specialist Replacement Effect
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2019, 05:15:52 PM »
A necessary sacrifice to avoid the greater abuse. My condolences to your Daniel Bryan build.

Looks like you'll be looking for... a new Daniel Bryan.

I'll see myself out.
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