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Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
« Reply #150 on: December 15, 2018, 09:22:50 AM »
The King of the Cruiserweight looks dashing in this set. Gravity may have forgotten this man, but we haven't!  :P

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Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
« Reply #151 on: December 15, 2018, 09:29:36 AM »
Exactly!  And while Bo had become quite the heel champion, his #1 challenger chasing the title finally got his big chance in the first network special for the brand, NXT Arrival.



In the first-ever Ladder Match in NXT, Bo Dallas was defeated by this man:



<mutters something about stupid idiot page breaks> :)

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Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
« Reply #152 on: December 15, 2018, 12:47:17 PM »
"Your NXT Arrival is Permanent"...

Isn't it already permanent?
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Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
« Reply #153 on: December 15, 2018, 01:56:37 PM »
It's now double-Permanent.  :P  (Left over from when we moved effects around)

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Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
« Reply #154 on: December 15, 2018, 07:21:44 PM »
Exactly!  And while Bo had become quite the heel champion, his #1 challenger chasing the title finally got his big chance in the first network special for the brand, NXT Arrival.



In the first-ever Ladder Match in NXT, Bo Dallas was defeated by this man:



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So does this mean on the non-maneuver thing the non-Maneuver doesn't have to be Successful for him to get the bonus Crud on "The Man Gravity Forgot" or what as that seems kinda crappy on that by oh lookee I reversed your Recovery and now I can get Free Bonuses as I think it should be if your Opponent successfully played a non-maneuver on their turn then you get the bonuses.

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Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
« Reply #155 on: December 15, 2018, 07:26:24 PM »
Just says play, so it only matters if he plays one...successful or not

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Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
« Reply #156 on: December 15, 2018, 10:19:11 PM »
The bottom left corner of Neville’s logo on his superstar card seems to be having issues. The yellow box is incomplete. There may be an issue with the bottom right corner too. But maybe it’s suppose to be that way?

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Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
« Reply #157 on: December 16, 2018, 07:13:06 AM »

So does this mean on the non-maneuver thing the non-Maneuver doesn't have to be Successful for him to get the bonus Crud on "The Man Gravity Forgot" or what as that seems kinda crappy on that by oh lookee I reversed your Recovery and now I can get Free Bonuses as I think it should be if your Opponent successfully played a non-maneuver on their turn then you get the bonuses.

Counter-point: that means even if Neville has plenty of F and doesn't need the discount, the maneuver still qualifies for being reversed by Your Reach Exceeds Your Grasp (unless it was an RMS maneuver).

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Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
« Reply #158 on: December 16, 2018, 07:26:27 AM »
Counter-point: that means even if Neville has plenty of F and doesn't need the discount, the maneuver still qualifies for being reversed by Your Reach Exceeds Your Grasp (unless it was an RMS maneuver).

Untrue, reach/grasp can only reverse a card if you don't have the fortitude to play it (or a multi volley)

(example: it can't revers shoot forearm if you have 10F and are behind making it 0F to play)
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Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
« Reply #159 on: December 16, 2018, 07:59:19 AM »
My fatal flaw as a card game player is my inability to read the cards in their entirety.

Back before I knew about TCO, my playgroup made fantasy cards for each of us. One of my cards allowed me to ignore a sentence in a card for this exact reason.

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Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
« Reply #160 on: December 16, 2018, 08:11:10 AM »
My fatal flaw as a card game player is my inability to read the cards in their entirety.

Back before I knew about TCO, my playgroup made fantasy cards for each of us. One of my cards allowed me to ignore a sentence in a card for this exact reason.

It's RMS too  8)
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Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
« Reply #161 on: December 16, 2018, 08:16:45 AM »
My fatal flaw as a card game player is my inability to read the cards in their entirety.

The reason why I bought RTFC sleeves  ;D

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Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
« Reply #162 on: December 16, 2018, 08:38:24 AM »
Just need to chime in regarding RTFC:

I started a running joke among my FFTCG playgroup. If someone does something during a game which goes against what a card says, whoever pointed it out will say "Nobody reads the cards!" If the guilty party catches themselves doing it before anyone else, the phrase is "Nobody reads the cards, especially me!"
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Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
« Reply #163 on: December 16, 2018, 09:40:14 AM »
We're fine with leaving it as 'he plays a non-maneuver', since it's just -2F and very negligible.  Here's some more stuff for Neville - and wow, Sami takes a beating this set!  :D



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Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
« Reply #164 on: December 17, 2018, 08:15:05 AM »
And now, here he is.. the devastating destroyer of Raw's ratings - Baron Corbin!  :)



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Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
« Reply #165 on: December 17, 2018, 08:26:50 AM »
Baron Corbin, aka the wrestler I suddenly liked after he was super cool at a local restaurant: https://twitter.com/VANGUARDMKE/status/1067107192577409024
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Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
« Reply #166 on: December 17, 2018, 08:36:07 AM »
Just to clarify, for Superhuman, ignore your effects that cause you to discard (mid-match cards?) or prevent you from playing mid match cards.
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Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
« Reply #167 on: December 17, 2018, 08:50:11 AM »
Yes. 'Mid-match cards' applies to both.  We might have to re-word that so it's clearer, hmm.  (So Lariat Takedown's discard doesn't happen, basically)

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Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
« Reply #168 on: December 17, 2018, 08:53:10 AM »
Yes. 'Mid-match cards' applies to both.  We might have to re-word that so it's clearer, hmm.  (So Lariat Takedown's discard doesn't happen, basically)

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Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
« Reply #169 on: December 17, 2018, 09:12:16 AM »
You can ignore the effects, as established by Edge & Christian changing the discard effects from an RMS card.

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Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
« Reply #170 on: December 17, 2018, 09:26:38 AM »
You can ignore the effects, as established by Edge & Christian changing the discard effects from an RMS card.

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Oh. So it's not like Its Great To Be Back here in... not being able to reverse Atomic Lariat? I thought it was ruled that it couldn't reverse it because it couldn't ignore the reversal restriction due to the RMS?
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Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
« Reply #171 on: December 17, 2018, 09:40:10 AM »
Replacement effects work on RMS cards (like Edge and Christian), but flat-out ignoring them does not. Superhuman is intended to be a replacement effect, and it'll be worded that way when the set releases.
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Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
« Reply #172 on: December 17, 2018, 09:48:36 AM »
Apples and oranges.

A card can generate an effect that can be affected outside of the RMS. However, the reversal ability of a card is prevented from changes in both directions by the RMS.

EDIT: What he said. :)

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Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
« Reply #173 on: December 17, 2018, 10:36:56 AM »
Just checking, but does the discard prevention of Superhuman work for optional effects? Like say JR Style Clubberin?

Thanks in advance.

Edit: Just realised it only interacts with midmatch. But still what if its optional.
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Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
« Reply #174 on: December 17, 2018, 10:46:24 AM »
How would it interact with Crucifix Rollup TB? Does he just not discard and draw 1? Or will it be one of those, it floats in an unknown space before defaulting to ringside? Or does it not work since the draw is dependent on the discarding?