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Hassan
« on: May 31, 2018, 09:51:25 PM »
Can Hassan search for Douchebag with Spontaneous Combustion?
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Re: Hassan
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2018, 09:56:53 PM »
Not a clue, unfortunately, since I don't remember what any of those cards say, hint hint... ;)

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Re: Hassan
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2018, 10:07:46 PM »
Muhammad Hassan
Starting Hand Size: 7     Superstar Value: 3
Superstar Ability:  Your Unique non-Action cards are now Heat.  When you successfully play a non-printed-Heat Unique card from Ringside, overturn 5 cards.
You may ignore the "When played from Ringside" text on your Heat reversals.  Replace the "Al Snow" text with "Muhammad Hassan" on your Headstrong cards. Your Camel Clutch cards are Heat and -3F.
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No, it's an action...Here is a clip from the "hybrid" omnifaq entry:

"When in your Hand, Arsenal, Ring Area, Backlash deck and Ringside Pile, hybrid cards will count as all of the card types they represent."

So it this case, since it's not being played, but searched for from your arsenal by spontaneous it is considered an action and a reversal and his ability says non-Action so it is not considered heat.

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Re: Hassan
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2018, 10:31:48 AM »
niiiiiiiiiiiiiick's got it again. Douchebag is an Action, Hassan doesn't make it Heat.
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Re: Hassan
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2018, 01:15:58 PM »
Another Hassan question:

I noticed that the following Heat reversals (as written) are not affected by his ability. Is this intentional or an oversight?

Muhammad Hassan
Starting Hand Size: 7     Superstar Value: 3
Superstar Ability:  Your Unique non-Action cards are now Heat.  When you successfully play a non-printed-Heat Unique card from Ringside, overturn 5 cards.
You may ignore the "When played from Ringside" text on your Heat reversals.  Replace the "Al Snow" text with "Muhammad Hassan" on your Headstrong cards. Your Camel Clutch cards are Heat and -3F.
You cannot pack Wrestlemania or Corners.
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Leave Me Alone (V2)
Reversal: Special: Heat
Can only be played from your Ringside pile when you have at least 5 other Heat cards in your Ringside pile.
When played from your Ringside pile, reverse any non-Set-up Action card and end your opponent's turn. Search your Arsenal for 1 Maneuver card without text, reveal it to him, put it into your hand, and shuffle your Arsenal. During your next turn, if your first card played is not a maneuver without text, discard your hand and end your turn.
F: 9      D: 0

Headstrong (V2)
Reversal: Special: Heat
Can only be played from your Ringside pile when you have at least 5 other Heat cards in your Ringside pile. 
When played from your Ringside pile, reverse any non-unique maneuver of 10D or less and end your opponent's turn. Unless you are Al Snow, remove all Action cards in your Ring area and Ringside pile from the game.
Permanent
F: 3      D: 2

I Already Warned You (V2)
Reversal: Special: Heat
Can only be played from your Ringside pile when you have at least 5 other Heat cards in your Ringside pile.
When played from your Ringside pile and when your Fortitude Rating is equal to or less than your opponent's Fortitude Rating, reverse any Action card if it is not the first Action card played this turn or reverse any card if it is not the first or second card played this turn and end his turn.
F: 0      D: 0
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Re: Hassan
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2018, 04:03:59 AM »
It just meant u can reverse a card by playin from hand or overturning.

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Re: Hassan
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2018, 05:48:54 AM »
It just meant u can reverse a card by playin from hand or overturning.

That also doesn't work because that says "can only..."
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Re: Hassan
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2018, 05:54:19 AM »
Nope, cos tat is the requirement to play from ringside, the cards said nth abt needing to fulfil the requirements for playin from hand and reversing from arsenal. Hassan ability just remove the restriction tat of only playable/usable from ringside.

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Re: Hassan
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2018, 05:58:51 AM »
That may be it's intended purpose, but as worded doesn't work.

I'll wait for an official ruling from Daeva or Creed.
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Re: Hassan
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2018, 09:08:32 AM »
All right, let's cut through the miasma here by starting with the intent during playtesting.

The "can only be played from Ringside if you have 5 or more..." text was interpreted thusly: "If you have 5 or more other Heat cards in your Ringside, you can play this card from Ringside." The fact that the cards only do something from Ringside is evident in the "When played from Ringside," text. In other words, it's reminder text for the Heat trait because Blindside reversals exist and allow Ringside play without needing cards. So leaving it there will technically be okay, but we can be clearer there.

The mix-up on "When played from Ringside" versus "When played from Your Ringside" is an artifact of Hassan coming from V3, when we were already pretty deep into speaking Virtual and nobody checked up on the specific wording of the Heat reversals. I'll take responsibility for that one.

So, let's fix it. I'm willing to dole out some errata to make Hassan work. Let's kill two birds with one stone and make Hassan read thusly:


Muhammad Hassan
Starting Hand Size: 7     Superstar Value: 3
Superstar Ability:  Your Unique non-Action cards are now Heat.  When you successfully play a non-printed-Heat Unique card from Ringside, overturn 5 cards.
You may play printed Heat reversals from hand; ignore the "When played from your Ringside pile" text on those cards.  Replace the "Al Snow" text with "Muhammad Hassan" on your Headstrong cards. Your Camel Clutch cards are Heat and -3F.
You cannot pack Wrestlemania or Corners.


I'll add that to the errata list. Consider it immediately in effect.
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