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Re: TCO Lackey Tournament #12!
« Reply #150 on: March 15, 2018, 09:06:54 AM »
I wouldn't include these:
John Morrison(Really good, recovers forever and gets free fortitude)
The Legacy(Their new backstage makes them pretty awesome)
Sheamus(no hybrids ever is pretty solid)
Chyna Doll(She is in process of being nerfed last I looked, since no one wants to deal with Chyna's press slam into Precision Haymaker 1st turn)
Dwayne/DX are both pretty good in general
Xavier Woods(A lot better than you would think, Banned + his ability+ NXT to WWE is a free 2 recovery anytime something is reversed)

Excellent points made; as I mentioned there's room to cut that down by half easily.
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Re: TCO Lackey Tournament #12!
« Reply #151 on: March 15, 2018, 09:09:54 AM »
"Bad" Superstars Tournament Suggestons:

1.) Brodus Clay
2.) Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake
3.) Buh-Buh Ray Dudley
5.) Darren Young
6.) David Otunga
7.) Dean Malenko
8.) Demolition
9.) D-Von Dudley
12.) Eric Rowan
13.) Evan Bourne
14.) Funaki
15.) Goldust
16.) Hacksaw Jim Duggan
18.) Hollywood Hulk Hogan (Non Throwback)
19.) Irwin R. Schyster
20.) Jack Swagger
21.) Jeff Hardy
22.) Jeff Jarrett
23.) Jerry Lawler
25.) Justin Gabriel
26.) Kaientai
27.) Kevin Nash
28.) Lance Storm
29.) Mae Young
30.) Maryse
31.) MNM
33.) Norman Smiley
34.) Paige
35.) Prime Time Players
36.) Raven
37.) Raw Guest Host
38.) Rene Dupree
39.) Ric Flair
40.) R-Truth
41.) Sami Zayn
42.) Santino Marella
43.) Scott Hall
45.) Sin Cara
46.) Skip Sheffield
47.) Stevie Richards
48.) Team Hell No
49.) The Corre
50.) The Dangerous Alliance
51.) The Heat Seekers
52.) The King of Kings (Throwback)
54.) The Miz
55.) The Rhodes Brothers
56.) The Shield
57.) The Steiner Brothers
58.) Titus O'Neil
59.) Too Cool
60.) Viscera
61.) Vladmir Kozlov
63.) Yokozuna

Any more omissions? We have plenty more to cut. I'm still on the fence with Heath Slater.
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Re: TCO Lackey Tournament #12!
« Reply #152 on: March 15, 2018, 09:10:21 AM »
the bastard added more I see :p

33.) Norman Smiley
34.) Paige
35.) Prime Time Players
36.) Raven
37.) Raw Guest Host
38.) Rene Dupree
39.) Ric Flair
40.) R-Truth
41.) Sami Zayn
42.) Santino Marella
43.) Scott Hall
44.) Sheamus
45.) Sin Cara
46.) Skip Sheffield
47.) Stevie Richards
48.) Team Hell No
49.) The Corre
50.) The Dangerous Alliance
51.) The Heat Seekers
52.) The King of Kings (Throwback)
53.) The Legacy
54.) The Miz
55.) The Rhodes Brothers
56.) The Shield

57.) The Steiner Brothers
58.) Titus O'Neil
59.) Too Cool
60.) Viscera
61.) Vladmir Kozlov
62.) Xavier Woods
63.) Yokozuna

Yeah Paige is a hand-killing beast....plus a pain in the ass in the lackey enviornment
Any version of Flair....ummm ....noooo, never in the "bad" category.....
Sheamus is a Mean Gene wet dream
There's a reason those new heel/cheater cards have "can not be packed by the Heat Seekers" on them....
Legacy is wayyy better than you think
Miz can basically re-start the game twice with the Trash Talking/Nowinski package
Rhodes Bros = Cody cards....Cody cards are GOOD
The Shield's "benefit off redwall" ability is awesome...yeah blindsides suck but you don't build around that
and Xavier is another "good luck killing me" deck.....
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Re: TCO Lackey Tournament #12!
« Reply #153 on: March 15, 2018, 09:18:19 AM »
Okay so we have:

"Bad" Superstars Tournament Suggestons:

1.) Brodus Clay
2.) Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake
3.) Buh-Buh Ray Dudley
5.) Darren Young
6.) David Otunga
7.) Dean Malenko
8.) Demolition
9.) D-Von Dudley
12.) Eric Rowan
13.) Evan Bourne
14.) Funaki
15.) Goldust
16.) Hacksaw Jim Duggan
18.) Hollywood Hulk Hogan (Non Throwback)
19.) Irwin R. Schyster
20.) Jack Swagger
21.) Jeff Hardy
22.) Jeff Jarrett
23.) Jerry Lawler
25.) Justin Gabriel
26.) Kaientai
27.) Kevin Nash
28.) Lance Storm
29.) Mae Young
30.) Maryse
31.) MNM
33.) Norman Smiley
35.) Prime Time Players
36.) Raven
37.) Raw Guest Host
38.) Rene Dupree
40.) R-Truth
41.) Sami Zayn
42.) Santino Marella
43.) Scott Hall
45.) Sin Cara
46.) Skip Sheffield
47.) Stevie Richards
48.) Team Hell No
49.) The Corre
50.) The Dangerous Alliance
52.) The King of Kings (Throwback)
57.) The Steiner Brothers
58.) Titus O'Neil
59.) Too Cool
60.) Viscera
61.) Vladmir Kozlov
63.) Yokozuna

This cuts it do about 47, let's knock 17 more off if possible.
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Re: TCO Lackey Tournament #12!
« Reply #154 on: March 15, 2018, 09:23:51 AM »
Jeff Hardy is pretty good.

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Re: TCO Lackey Tournament #12!
« Reply #155 on: March 15, 2018, 09:25:21 AM »
you could kill off Raw Guest Host too....but I like having  a bigger pool
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Re: TCO Lackey Tournament #12!
« Reply #156 on: March 15, 2018, 09:27:19 AM »
you could kill off Raw Guest Host too....but I like having  a bigger pool

What's the "magic number" in your opinion? And are there superstars that should be added to the list?
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Re: TCO Lackey Tournament #12!
« Reply #157 on: March 15, 2018, 09:30:05 AM »
Let me see if I can make it worse; I have some names I never see played that don't seem like they fit in the "too broken to build" category. I also wouldn't mind seeing the list larger, rather than shorter, so we have a secondary pool for if we want to run this type of tourney a second time, but feel free to go either way there.

Johnny Nitro
Chris Masters
Billy & Chuck
Festus
Eugene
Lex Luger
Heidenreich
Michael Tarver
Kenny
Mikey
The Godfather
Nikolai Volkoff
The Rockers

Eugene's in the list to see if I can make CRASHER explode. That's not a legitimate suggestion.
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Re: TCO Lackey Tournament #12!
« Reply #158 on: March 15, 2018, 09:31:45 AM »
It depends on the number of entrants I would think, but I do like 2-3 per person

I'd add Roddy Piper to the list...he's garbage now that he's tied horribly to b2b

Dilbert's list is good minus Eugene and Masters
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Re: TCO Lackey Tournament #12!
« Reply #159 on: March 15, 2018, 09:36:04 AM »
It depends on the number of entrants I would think, but I do like 2-3 per person

I'd add Roddy Piper to the list...he's garbage now that he's tied horribly to b2b

Dilbert's list is good minus Eugene and Masters

Alas, you didn't react as violently to Eugene being there as I had hoped. Yeah, that one was a joke.
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Re: TCO Lackey Tournament #12!
« Reply #160 on: March 15, 2018, 09:36:57 AM »
Alas, you didn't react as violently to Eugene being there as I had hoped. Yeah, that one was a joke.

I was too busy curtailing my rage about how BAD Piper is now :p
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Re: TCO Lackey Tournament #12!
« Reply #161 on: March 15, 2018, 09:40:08 AM »
Okay so we have:

"Bad" Superstars Tournament Suggestons:

Billy & Chuck
Brodus Clay
Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake
Buh-Buh Ray Dudley
Darren Young
David Otunga
Dean Malenko
Demolition
D-Von Dudley
Eric Rowan
Evan Bourne
Festus
Funaki
Goldust
Hacksaw Jim Duggan
Heidenreich
Hollywood Hulk Hogan (Non Throwback)
Irwin R. Schyster
Jack Swagger
Jeff Hardy
Jerry Lawler
Johnny Nitro
Justin Gabriel
Kaientai
Kenny
Kevin Nash
Lance Storm
Lex Luger (Really?)
Mae Young
Maryse
Michael Tarver
Mikey
MNM
Nikolai Volkoff
Norman Smiley
Prime Time Players
Raven
Rene Dupree
Rowdy Roddy Piper
R-Truth
Sami Zayn
Santino Marella
Scott Hall
Sin Cara
Skip Sheffield
Stevie Richards
Team Hell No
The Corre
The Dangerous Alliance
The Godfather (Really?)
The King of Kings (Throwback)
The Rockers
The Steiner Brothers
Titus O'Neil
Too Cool
Viscera
Vladmir Kozlov
Yokozuna

The two bolded ones suprise me so far.

What about adding Bam Bam Bigelow?
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Re: TCO Lackey Tournament #12!
« Reply #162 on: March 15, 2018, 09:44:54 AM »
oh crap...I didn't see Godfather...get his ass off of there

and Lex is a weird deck now....I seem to have issues with him puckering out
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Re: TCO Lackey Tournament #12!
« Reply #163 on: March 15, 2018, 09:48:31 AM »
oh crap...I didn't see Godfather...get his ass off of there

and Lex is a weird deck now....I seem to have issues with him puckering out

So keep Lex or remove Lex? And do we add Bigelow?
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Re: TCO Lackey Tournament #12!
« Reply #164 on: March 15, 2018, 09:55:42 AM »
Keep Lex

hrrrmmm....yeah.... add bam bam to the hall of not good
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Re: TCO Lackey Tournament #12!
« Reply #165 on: March 15, 2018, 10:08:12 AM »
Okay so we have:

"Bad" Superstars Tournament Suggestons:

Bam Bam Bigelow
Billy & Chuck
Brodus Clay
Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake
Buh-Buh Ray Dudley
Darren Young
David Otunga
Dean Malenko
Demolition
D-Von Dudley
Eric Rowan
Evan Bourne
Festus
Funaki
Goldust
Hacksaw Jim Duggan
Heidenreich
Hollywood Hulk Hogan (Non Throwback)
Irwin R. Schyster
Jack Swagger
Jeff Hardy
Jerry Lawler
Johnny Nitro
Justin Gabriel
Kaientai
Kenny
Kevin Nash
Lance Storm
Lex Luger
Mae Young
Maryse
Michael Tarver
Mikey
MNM
Nikolai Volkoff
Norman Smiley
Prime Time Players
Raven
Rene Dupree
Rowdy Roddy Piper
R-Truth
Sami Zayn
Santino Marella
Scott Hall
Sin Cara
Skip Sheffield
Stevie Richards
Team Hell No
The Corre
The Dangerous Alliance
The King of Kings (Throwback)
The Rockers
The Steiner Brothers
Titus O'Neil
Too Cool
Viscera
Vladmir Kozlov
Yokozuna
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Re: TCO Lackey Tournament #12!
« Reply #166 on: March 15, 2018, 11:09:21 AM »
I'd scrap all of the following from this list:

Billy & Chuck
Hogan (non-TB)
Jeff Hardy
Johnny Nitro
Kaientai
Kevin Nash
MNM
Too Cool
Viscera
The Corre

Also, while I agree she belongs on the list, playing on Lackey as or against Mae Young is going to be miserable. 
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Re: TCO Lackey Tournament #12!
« Reply #167 on: March 15, 2018, 11:11:20 AM »
I'd scrap all of the following from this list:

Billy & Chuck
Hogan (non-TB)
Jeff Hardy
Johnny Nitro
Kaientai
Kevin Nash
MNM
Too Cool
Viscera
The Corre

Also, while I agree she belongs on the list, playing on Lackey as or against Mae Young is going to be miserable. 

I was secretly totally hoping to play Mae :)
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Re: TCO Lackey Tournament #12!
« Reply #168 on: March 15, 2018, 11:15:15 AM »
I'd scrap all of the following from this list:

Billy & Chuck
Hogan (non-TB)
Jeff Hardy
Johnny Nitro
Kaientai
Kevin Nash
MNM
Too Cool
Viscera
The Corre

Also, while I agree she belongs on the list, playing on Lackey as or against Mae Young is going to be miserable.

Explain what you mean in regards to Mae Young...I'm slow so be gentle.
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Re: TCO Lackey Tournament #12!
« Reply #169 on: March 15, 2018, 11:15:41 AM »
yeah it was either Mae or Moolah I commented on in testing "they're good enough for friendly games now, but if you play them against your friends you won't have any friends anymore"  :laugh: :laugh:

I'd consider adding 8th Wonder tb too
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Re: TCO Lackey Tournament #12!
« Reply #170 on: March 15, 2018, 11:20:19 AM »
yeah it was either Mae or Moolah I commented on in testing "they're good enough for friendly games now, but if you play them against your friends you won't have any friends anymore"  :laugh: :laugh:

I'd consider adding 8th Wonder tb too

I still don't get it.

8th and Andre or just 8th?
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Re: TCO Lackey Tournament #12!
« Reply #171 on: March 15, 2018, 11:27:35 AM »
yeah it was either Mae or Moolah I commented on in testing "they're good enough for friendly games now, but if you play them against your friends you won't have any friends anymore"  :laugh: :laugh:

I still don't get it.


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Re: TCO Lackey Tournament #12!
« Reply #172 on: March 15, 2018, 11:28:19 AM »
Just 8th tb

for Mae and Moolah, they're about average level and good for casual play, but the nature of what you want/need to execute with them is ssooo infuriating and will piss you off as opponent so bad you will want to punch them in the face by game's end....it's the best way I can describe it!
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Re: TCO Lackey Tournament #12!
« Reply #173 on: March 15, 2018, 11:38:12 AM »
Hmmmm, dully noted. Never thought Mae was that hard to beat.

Anyone opposed to cutting the following?

Billy & Chuck
Hogan (non-TB)
Jeff Hardy
Johnny Nitro
Kaientai
Kevin Nash
Mae Young
MNM
Too Cool
Viscera
The Corre
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Re: TCO Lackey Tournament #12!
« Reply #174 on: March 15, 2018, 11:41:53 AM »
I would be interested to see Nash, haven't seen a solid build for him personally. And why cut Too Cool? They haven't been making any waves really.
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