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I'm sure it's a dumb question to all of you but long story short are backstage cards considered pre match cards? I say no cuz they're in a separate Zone and they happened before pre match my friend argues it doesn't specifically say they're not and they're purple therefore they are.


Long version of the story is we were playing a throwback game Andre the Giant vs Big Show classic we face each other as God intended your opponent's hand size is -1 for each pre match card in there ring area Big Show you can't manhandle The Big Show your opponent's pre match cards can't affect your hand size it didn't end up mattering because I activated and hid we face each other as God intended but just a rules question thanks in advance. Also if anyone has a breakdown of Andres classic ability that would be appreciated my friend is very argumentative so unless it comes from you guys I'm always wrong even when I'm not wrong.

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Rules Forum / Re: Hello all some rules questions part 1
« on: July 24, 2018, 05:19:04 PM »
TY all so much for the rulings really appreciated. and now that i know where the faq is i can look up the rules so we dont have to ask so many questions hopefully ^_^

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Rules Forum / Re: Hello all some rules questions part 1
« on: July 24, 2018, 05:12:44 PM »
SS3 Running Lariat says:
Cannot be reversed by the card titled Elbow to the Face.
Reversals to this card are +2D.
When reversed from your opponent’s hand, if the first card played on his next turn is a maneuver, it cannot be reversed.

Can't be reversed by 1 card so still very reversible, id think those cards wouldn't be able to reverse it.

SS2 Beating the Odds says:
Draw 1 card.
When this card is in your Ring area, you may put this card into your Ringside pile when your opponent plays a maneuver that “cannot be reversed” in some way to allow that maneuver to be reversed normally.
If an effect your opponent controls removes this card from your Ring area, he ends his turn.

Beating the Odds
ERRATA: The game considers “Cannot be reversed”, “May Not be reversed”, “Can not be reversed”, and ‘cannot reverse’ to all be the same term.  Beating the Odds will affect cards that have these statements on them.
-This lets the user ignore an effect that makes a maneuver card irreversible whole or in part, no matter if that effect comes from another card, a Superstar Ability or the text of the card in question.
-Beating will allow a Maneuver to be reversed if the text states that it cannot be reversed, or if other effects specifically modify the Maneuver to make it irreversible.  It will also allow a reversal of a Maneuver that cannot be reversed from a certain area only, such as Dirty Low Blow.
-This will affect a card that has been made irreversible by more than one effect.  EXAMPLE: Tree of Woe played after a Turn the Tide can be made reversible by a single Beating the Odds.
-Beating will not affect cards or effects that say “Can only be reversed by...” and similar wording.
-Beating will affect maneuver cards with an appropriate restriction on reversals.  EXAMPLE:  Redemption, Remove the People’s Elbow Pad.
-Beating has no effect on maneuver cards with the Chain trait as such, but it can affect other restrictions.  EXAMPLE:  Beating the Odds will allow an opponent to reverse Atomic Bear Hug from Backlash deck, but it will not affect the required 2-card discard for the Chain trait.
-If an opponent causes Beating to be removed with a card such as Gut Punch, he must end his turn at the earliest opportunity.  This means the damage of the maneuver card (and other effects) must be fully resolved before the end-the-turn effect.
-If this card is removed during the controller’s turn by an effect that is controlled by his opponent (such as In This Very Ring), the end-the-turn effect will be ignored.

beating the odds ability makes things that cannot be reversed and can only be reversed from certain areas be reversed reversible like a normal card, but clearly states it does not affect cards that can only be reversed by X card.

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Rules Forum / Re: Hello all some rules questions part 1
« on: July 19, 2018, 10:23:49 PM »
no hurry ^_^ thank younow i just gotta wait for the other one to get answered too XD and ill let the group know

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Rules Forum / Re: Hello all some rules questions part 1
« on: July 19, 2018, 07:11:18 PM »
niiiiick did you mean Not sure will defer to someone else for 11 when you said same as above or same for the answer to 9?

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Rules Forum / Re: Hello all some rules questions part 1
« on: July 19, 2018, 07:07:04 PM »
TY niiiiick you always help us by answering what are probably dumb questions to you guys we appreciate it

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Rules Forum / Hello all some rules questions part 2
« on: July 19, 2018, 05:53:30 PM »
hi so my play group has some rules questions we've written down over the past few months, some of these are classifications to rules that seem basic but some people in the wanted a ruling on them to be 100% sure so thank you. im going to split this so its not like 30 questions in 1 thing. please keep in mind we only classic only. i numbered them to make it easier for answering and not getting lost let me knwo if there was anything i should have done to make it easier. Thanks Nico.

1... If somebody escape the rules's and you use Ref got in the way as your only reversal towards it will it be on the field legally for when Escape blows up your card to force them to discard?

2... Is the card ring steps ability considered a ace because you have to take it from your ring area and put it into your ringside pile and would similar abilities be considered Aces as the cost to activate them would be to put them in the ringside or would this not be considered an ace?

3... Can you use an ace only during your turn, Unless it specifically says otherwise or one way or the other?

4... If you blank Raw roulette wheel do the other stipulations leave the field do they stay on the field? Are they also considered blank? How does that interaction work?

5... During pre-match phase if a card says when you would play a card with raw or Smackdown you draw card even though it's during pre-match and you play one do you draw a card even though end of pre-match hasn't occurred and we haven't drawn our hands?

6... Do cards like bad blood and similar cards that do not say at the end of pre-match phase do you immediately search your deck for the cards or do you wait until end of pre-match as some of these cards haven't been updated?

7... Does Mankind's Superstar ability reduce the damage of cards with the RMS symbol I bring this up because Piper can remove RMS and I assume that Superstar abilities override a lot of the things in the game?

8... The old switcheroo the you cannot play pre-match cards does that mean if you play this as your last pre-match card it's still on the field and works correct? I assume what the last part of the text means is if you play that before
any other pre-match events you can't play anymore but if you play it as your last pre-match event you're fine right?

9... How does timing work in the game is it similar, if not the same as the stack in Magic the Gathering "stack" and technically cards don't count as being fully played until they're resolved? plays into my next question

10... Does elbow to the face or any reversal with damage when reversing a multi count towards your fortitude for another reversal towards that multi? Example opponent has 3 fort reverses my multi with elbow, counting the fort to give him the 5 to play Have a Nice Day! to completely reverse my multi just one
example of many in the past while. That just doesn't seem right.

11... One of our players who played way back in the day says in a tournaments two players cannot play the same character against each other so people would have to bring two decks is that true for tournaments and/or true for normal games? Or was this an area based "rule" thing?

12... In classic when playing against Piper does his ability turn cards like boot lace (Maneuver/actions) with reversing the text turn them into actions that deal damage bootlace as an example?

13... In classic can RMS pre-match cards be played against Kennedy or does the super star ability override RMS and they cant unless superstar specific? prematch like A no show as example?

14... This is more of a conformation but Armageddon Is Upon Us vs Edge his printed hand size would be is equal to twice his opponent’s Superstar Value (min. 6) right?

15... When my opponent has no more end of prematch effects left and i have like 2 or 3 more their end of prematch is done right, i dont pass back priority to them correct? Asking for the card A no show can i trigger it when they have none left even if i have more effects to play out? Example my opponent has none left i trigger it to reveal the cards add them to my hand and switch it out to continue with the other 2 end of prematch i had. opponent says i cant trigger it till i do my others cuz i have to pass end of prematch priority to them so theres isnt really done when they have no more effects to use/trigger.

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Rules Forum / Hello all some rules questions part 1
« on: July 19, 2018, 05:41:01 PM »
hi so my play group has some rules questions we've written down over the past few months, some of these are classifications to rules that seem basic but some people in the wanted a ruling on them to be 100% sure so thank you. im going to split this so its not like 30 questions in 1 thing. please keep in mind we only classic only. i numbered them to make it easier for answering and not getting lost let me knwo if there was anything i should have done to make it easier. Thanks Nico.

1... If you a no-show and one of the cards is not a heel card as it's being removed from the game can you use the Ace of I'm gonna to break you to prevent a card from being removed and if so where does that card go your hand ringside pile back into the deck?

2... Do cards like divine intervention and Furry of the storm reverse cards like clutch not basic reversal "reverse any" but Superstar specific or very rare reversals that's a reverse any card or do they not?

3... Does blanking a card remove it's type like face, heel, or chain and/or respective logo raw or SmackDown or is just the text box blanked?

4... Does who in the blue hell Do You Think You Are? when used by the people's champion you only get the second effects of plus two hand size? someone said you get the plus two hand size and your opponents mid-match reduced?

5... For clarification people like Lita, Batista, and Goldberg Superstar abilities that reduce the cost of a card or cards to cost zero along with card effects that reduce the cost those cards will be are effected by Brahma Bull correct?

6... Do cards like Premier Smackdown Superstar allow you to draw cards even during the pre-match phase by playing Smackdown logo cards even before hands have been drawn?

7... For clarification Premier WWF/WWE superstar makes the player with the lower superstar value remove cards from their ring area into the ringside pile equal to the greatest superstar value correct? like all of their pre-match cards if high enough
superstar value, even if their permanent? and can your opponent use Ref got in the way during prematch aginst this?

8... When playing cards do they count themselves as part of a count towards an effect effect (interacting with number of a type of card(s) on the field correct)? Example The Maneuver of Doom would it count itself
for its effect along with similar card effects counting the number of cards in the ring area? universally unique counts as unique for this right?

9... Can cards like the Panic cards mainly Panic grab played with clutch onto opponent be reversed with backlash even if clutch isn't reversed? or are they played at the same time as 1 card in a manor of speaking?

10... Can u volley this hold on its not time for the show? As its effect happens before the first draw step of the game.

11... Can play cards before draw segment begining of the game or otherwise? I think unless a card or ability specifies you can, you cannot and cards must be played during the main phase right? rule book phases section backs me up on this right? example opponent tried to Escape the rules and blow up my it's showtime after he activated hold on it's not time for the show. Also to this question if your opponent uses hold on it's not time for the show can you choose not to activate
is it's showtime is it an ace or not?

12... When playing as Mr. PPV can your opponent use Volley to reverse a card like The Maneuver of Doom, Missile Dropkick, or other high risks with the ability, can they Volley ability to reverse it or does PPV make them only be able to be reversed from the Arsenal by his effect?

13... Does shoot counter reverse cards like Reap the Rewards and integrity that don't directly let you draw card at the moment but do allow them to draw at a later point?

14... When you put Judo chop into play by its effect does your opponent take damage or is it just placing it into your ring area? Also can you put multiple Judo chops into play off of your opponent playing two actions in a turn or only 1 off of the trigger?

15... Can you sidewalk slam TB from the hand to reverse a bootlace or other cards that say cannot be reversed from X-Location or does sidewalk slam TB only reverse fully unreversible cards? Not just cards that can be only reversed from restricted locations and just mentioned cannot be reversed in the text?

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Classic Raw Deal / Re: Question about virtual from a newer player
« on: February 21, 2018, 07:02:58 PM »
what is lackey???????
does everyone play Enough Shenanigans! to stop those cards abilities to balance the game out? Ken and Piper seem like anti fun superstars in classic, so that would make since. i really appreciate the help with all these questions.

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Classic Raw Deal / Question about virtual from a newer player
« on: February 21, 2018, 04:31:03 PM »
id love to start playing virtual can you just print the cards even prize cards? it sucks in classic when there great cards for decks but you cant buy them cuz there were only a handful sadly some arnt virtual like fury for RVD. As for like tournaments in raw deal for like virtual classic do you just print the cards and glue them to a throw away card and sleeve them  or get them properly printed at like vela at some point when you know 100% you're gonna use the cards?

and a question thats rules/opinion As for "That's Not Cool!" with “reverse” in the text have blank text.... reverse counts when it says reversed? does that also work for Piper? "with the word “reverse” in the text have blank text." is that what made him so good in classic? also in virtual do you only use the errata version or could you choose?

How can Andre the Giant have pre/mid match cards when he says he cant pack them??? is there a max amount of backstage cards a player can use like with backlash decks??? hes who i want to build next for a fun deck. TY Nico

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Rules Forum / Re: Mid-match reversals during pre-match
« on: February 18, 2018, 08:29:44 PM »
 Ty for the advice, id love to start playing virtual can you just print the cards even prize cards? it sucks in classic when there great cards for decks but you cant buy them cuz there were only a handful sadly some arnt virtual like fury for RVD. As for "That's Not Cool!" with “reverse” in the text have blank text.... reverse counts when it says reversed? does that also work for Piper? "with the word “reverse” in the text have blank text."?? for like tournaments in raw deal for like virtual classic do you just print the cards and glue them to a throw away card and sleeve them  or get them properly printed at like vela at some point when you know 100% you're gonna use the cards?

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Rules Forum / Re: Mid-match reversals during pre-match
« on: February 18, 2018, 05:48:37 PM »
awesome TY so much really appreciate it if you have time for another odd question. cards that can only be reversed by X card like clutch onto, would cards that reverses any card like Divine Intervention, Fury of the Storm, Sloppy, ect. reverse it either from hand or over turned or would you have to pack iron wills, over sell, strangle hold? also how do decks that run Revo of the mind deal with clutch apply if those reverse any dont work?

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Rules Forum / Re: Mid-match reversals during pre-match
« on: February 18, 2018, 04:50:51 PM »
@dilbert505 TY my friend tried to say he could just use any mid-match ones during pre-match, like ref got in the way to stop things that would remove something from his ring area during pre-match. and odd question with RVD's Unscripted: Can only be played when you have fewer cards in your Ring area than your opponent.  Put 1 card from his Ring area into his Ringside pile. My opponent plays his 5th pre-match im at my 3rd pre-match i play Unscripted, would my opponent be able to play a 5th pre-match because i removed one and hes now at 4 or no cuz he did play 5? (and has no effect saying he gets more then 5 pre-match)

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Rules Forum / Re: Mid-match reversals during pre-match
« on: February 18, 2018, 01:56:55 PM »
Could you give me an example

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Rules Forum / Mid-match reversals during pre-match
« on: February 18, 2018, 05:40:26 AM »
My opponent today tried to tell me tonight that you could use reversals I.E. Mid-match during the pre-match phase, is this true?

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Rules Forum / Re: Clubberin in Cell
« on: February 18, 2018, 05:36:47 AM »
the Question was asked becuz of the wording on the older version of the card: Run-in cards cannot be played by any player and cards played cannot move cards from any Ringside pile to any other location.
The newer printing resolved the question. Run-in cards cannot be played and no card or card effect can move any number of cards from any Ringside pile.

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Classic Raw Deal / Re: how do i deal with The Brahma Bull??
« on: February 17, 2018, 05:57:10 PM »
FYI i use Womens title belt WWE back sig Lita and signing appearance


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Classic Raw Deal / Re: how do i deal with The Brahma Bull??
« on: February 17, 2018, 05:47:27 PM »
FML you are correct Hogtrail

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Classic Raw Deal / Re: how do i deal with The Brahma Bull??
« on: February 17, 2018, 05:46:33 PM »
yeah my group hasnt gotten into virtual yet. in my lita deck i can use Lita ill use Flaunt it to make turn up the heat unreversable. in other decks i need another answer or way Bull just kills my Lita and Batista decks. depending on my hand it can kill my Eugene deck.

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Classic Raw Deal / Re: how do i deal with The Brahma Bull??
« on: February 17, 2018, 05:25:47 PM »
i was thinking prematch
Trash Talkin' Interview (TB): to get rid of anything that stops actions or ace's or at least whats in there hand to bait out a reversal)
Bad Blood: to get gut punch
It's Showtime: go 1st, if opponent plays hold on... have to wait for next turn
1st or 2nd turn ideally 1st  turn and have gotten rid of action reversal (no one play ace's reversals in my area) use turn up the heat discard Insurrextion or another reversal then use vince mc interferse! to play unreversable gut punch.
in Lita ill use Flaunt it to make turn up the heat unreversable.

Thoughts?
 

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Classic Raw Deal / Re: how do i deal with The Brahma Bull??
« on: February 17, 2018, 07:13:22 AM »
That's why I was asking for advice on how to deal with it or blow it up.

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Classic Raw Deal / how do i deal with The Brahma Bull??
« on: February 17, 2018, 05:23:50 AM »
hi all, what are the best ways in mainly classic to deal with the damn Brahma Bull?

Unique Pre-match Event
When this card is in your Ring area, all your opponent's maneuvers played from the hand of 4F or less are considered to have a D:1 and their text is considered blank. In the opponent’s Ring area those cards are counted normally for purposes of Fortitude Rating.

id prefer ways all my decks could if possible that cards just so brutal to most of the few decks i have, my RVD/Mr.PPV can handle it only cuz i have Unscripted TY in advance.

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Rules Forum / Re: SuperStar Ability During Pre-Match?
« on: February 16, 2018, 06:48:26 PM »
XD thatll teach me to read friends superstar cards more carefully XD TY
told him id ask FML embarrassing

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Rules Forum / SuperStar Ability During Pre-Match?
« on: February 16, 2018, 06:45:20 PM »
hi all again question of the day does your SuperStar Ability work During Pre-Match?
thats will answer the card situation i have Edge & Christian using Houston, Texas: You and your opponent draw 6 cards. Randomly pick 1 card in his hand. If it is an Action or Maneuver card, he discards it and you randomly pick another card. If it is a non-hybrid Reversal card, he discards it and you stop picking cards.
Discard cards until you have the same number of cards in your hand as him.
All players’ Starting Hand Sizes are -3.

if someone could link the newest errata's and most recent rules for the game as CI's website doesnt have them anymore and the link i found on here didnt work either

also some awesome card recommendations for E&C would be awesome ty in advance

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Rules Forum / Re: Throttled Within an Inch of Your Life in Eugene
« on: February 14, 2018, 09:57:02 PM »
Thank you both so much, i thought i found some turn 1 win cheese.

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