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Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Nephilim
« on: October 19, 2020, 07:46:58 AM »
Thanks for the clarification, that's what I had assumed had happened. But in the event that there was an easy combo that I was just forgetting about, I wanted to confirm (since an easy combo could absolutely effect deck construction).

Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Nephilim
« on: October 13, 2020, 10:24:47 AM »
Right, but Springboard isn't a 4D+ maneuver, and can't reverse any 6D+ maneuvers to set up a Counter play. And neither version of Springboard allow you to disregard Nephilim's "can only be played after..." text.

That's where my hang-up is: is there something I'm forgetting that would actually let Nephilim be played after Springboard?

Virtual Raw Deal / Nephilim
« on: October 12, 2020, 09:41:29 PM »
High Risk + High Risk / Reversal: Special
As a maneuver, can only be played after a successful 4D+ maneuver or as a Counter (6D+ maneuver). When played after Springboard or From the Top Rope, can only be reversed from Arsenal.
As a reversal, reverse any card that would move cards from any Ringside.
When this card is in your Ring, your Black Mass cannot be reversed from Backlash.
F: 20     D: 10     SV: 2     Unique     Multi

Action: Set-up
Can only be played after a successfully played maneuver OR the card titled Irish Whip.
Discard 1 card. If your next card played this turn is a Strike maneuver, it is instead considered a High Risk maneuver and can be reversed by Reversal cards that reverse High Risk maneuvers OR by Reversal cards that reverse a maneuver if that maneuver is played after the card titled Irish Whip.
F: 5      D: 0

Springboard (TB)
Action: Set-up
Can only be played after a successfully played card.
If your next card played this turn is a Strike maneuver, it is instead considered a High Risk maneuver played after the card titled Irish Whip.
F: 5      D: 0

Is there any way to play Nephilim after Springboard?

Rules Forum / Re: NXT v. Smackdown v. Raw
« on: October 07, 2020, 06:57:36 AM »
Okay thank you, is that in a rules FAQ somewhere. I am wanting to build Alexa Bliss and just want to be certain I can go Raw or Smackdown with her.

It is not in an FAQ (to my knowledge). NXT works like nWo, WCW, ECW, and WWF Classic branding: they're open to any deck so long as another card does not further restrict your building options.

Here is a prior ruling to that effect:,13665.msg162572.html#msg162572

Think of it in terms of the principle of exclusion: Raw and Smackdown have explicitly been given deck construction restrictions (in that you must pick one or the other or neither), and the absence of a reference to these other brands/allegiances is not an oversight. They were not meant to follow the same rule restrictions as Raw and Smackdown, and the lack of such a rule is the proof of such.

Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Bobby Roode question
« on: October 01, 2020, 10:02:07 AM »
Let me be a little more specific just to make sure I'm speaking clearly.

Opponent plays Overhand Chairshot. 5/5 Multi Strike+Strike. It is the first card he has played this turn. We reach step 5a of its timing breakdown.

I play Elbow to the Face. We proceed through timing on my EttF, and my opponent has no means of invalidating or preventing the play. EttF reaches step 6, is successfully played and enters my Ring Area. We return to 5b of OC's timing breakdown, which is still pending as EttF only serves as a single reversal effect to OC.

So at this point, as I have an opportunity to play or generate a second reversal effect, NIWGIIWGI checks to see if " if a card has been put into any Ring this turn.", it sees my EttF has been put into my Ring, and can now be played.

Or have I seriously mangled the timing breakdown?

Thank you!

Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Bobby Roode question
« on: October 01, 2020, 07:43:26 AM »
Just to be clear: If your opponent plays a Multi card, and you have played 1 applicable reversal to that maneuver already, and that reversal resolves to the ring area, NIWGIIWGI (which may be one of my favorite new acronyms, even if it is almost as long as just saying the whole card name) can then be the second reversal to that same card, right?

Virtual Raw Deal / V11: Undisputed Era Question regarding Superstar cards
« on: September 20, 2020, 09:17:45 AM »
I recognize that with V11 only partly revealed, the answer to this question might be "wait and see", but in the event there isn't a solution waiting to show up on 9/30,

Undisputed Era reads "You may pack [the four Superstars]", but does not specify where you may pack them. Given the move towards streamlining, I can appreciate if the default is that you pack cards where they normally go (which is only in question in this case because of Dude Love, whose ability admittedly specifies that the mankind and cactus Jack as cards go in his arsenal).

But if UE is packing the allowed cards, do they start the game revealed or hidden?

And if an appropriate Superstar card is revealed, do you count as that Superstar for cards like BOOM! that gives a specific benefit if "you are Bobby Fish", as contrasted with Our ERA, which triggers off having Superstar cards revealed?

Again, totally understanding if these are questions that will be answered when the full set is released.

Thank you!

Virtual Raw Deal / Re: The Cutting Room Floor
« on: May 30, 2020, 10:57:55 AM »
I really like the concept, but see the potential problems. Might be fun as a concept for Damien Sandow support as another way to represent that period where he was coming out with a new gimmick/impression every week.

Ah, thanks for the clarification!

Glad to see this article, and glad to see that you're (maybe) bringing the series back, as I enjoy your write-ups.

One question:
From NXT to WWE
Pre-match Event
Can only be packed by an NXT Superstar.  Cannot be blanked.
This card and Underrated Superstar do not take up a Pre-match slot in your Ring.
When you draw for your Ability, draw up to 1 additional card, and when you move cards into your Arsenal for your Ability, move up to 1 additional card.
F: 0     D: 0     Unique     Permanent

This card DOES NOT allow Pete to shuffle in a 4th card from his card for his ability, but it DOES allow Pete to draw an extra card when he shuffles 2+ cards into his arsenal for his ability.

Why is this the case? It seems like his ability is moving cards into his arsenal, and FNtW doesn't seem to suggest any restrictions on how it's checking how the cards are being moved, just that they're moving into the Arsenal. Is it because of the separation of clauses between "choose up to 3" and then the effect of shuffling them into the arsenal?

Professional Wrestling Discussion / Re: WWE's massive talent cuts
« on: April 16, 2020, 06:20:03 AM »
Firings are always tough, but seeing Spud's tweet:

Man, that one got me right in the feels.

Some of these guys will definitely be bound for either AEW, MLW, or Japan, and likely to get much better work out of the deal. Rowan and Rusev both seem like surefire AEW recruits: Rowan will be another big man to add to their relatively diminutive roster (especially with his history with the leader of the Dark Order), while Rusev is another prime example of a wrestler who WWE simply refused to capitalize on even in the face of massive crowd response (how did they let Rusev Day fail?). Gallows and Anderson seem more likely to head back to Japan, though their Bullet Club history means they're probably in good graces with the Elite. I'd love to see Gotch and English reunite in MLW, and though it seems unlikely that they could reform the Vaudevillains, their chemistry could hopefully set them up for either a productive reteaming or feud.

Either way, I truly hope all of these people land on their feet and get the validation that the WWE denied them.

Professional Wrestling Discussion / Re: WWE and AEW: SHUT DOWN NOW
« on: April 15, 2020, 06:22:09 AM »
Yeah, it made me really uneasy watching Wrestlemania and seeing the matches where they clearly had more than 10 people working in close quarters. During the Tag Team ladder match I was actually grateful that due to Miz's faux pax, we ended up only having three competitors in the ring instead of 6. It casts a shadow over these matches that makes it hard to enjoy them regardless of their merits as matches, because I can't stop thinking: How will I feel about this match if one or more of these wrestlers comes down with Coronavirus? Can I in good conscience enjoy this match now knowing that's the risk they're taking?

I understand why they're doing what they're doing, but it's getting to be pretty foolhardy.

I figure AEW has a unique advantage over WWE in one respect here: without a WWE Network style service for their product, they can go farther on airing old PPV matches. I'd certainly tune in for a re-airing of Double-or-Nothing.

It might be interesting to even try airing these matches with new commentary, perhaps even from the competitors. Use it as an opportunity to let wrestlers try to rewrite the history of failed spots ("Well, here's what I was trying to do..."), or to reinforce storylines that came out of those matches. Make that kind of re-airing a combination of giving fans access to a show they might have missed, but also let the wrestlers (from the safety of a remote connection) keep telling their story. I'd love to see Omega vs. Moxley with them on commentary.

I heard, though have not yet confirmed, that the Network is allowing free access to a lot of their content right now to try and keep numbers up during this Coronavirus shutdown, and I thought I'd heard that it would include the upcoming Mania. I'll be investigating when the weekend gets a bit closer, by all means feel free to check for yourselves in the meantime.

But I'm not sure if I'm ready to write it off as worst mania ever just yet. While it will certainly be the most different mania ever, it sounds like with some of the matches (such as Cena vs. Wyatt and AJ vs. Taker), they're going to be more movie/TV style filming techniques that might allow for better matches than would be potential in a live environment. WhatCulture WWE postulated that especially for AJ v. Taker, it could be a real boon because if, for example, Taker is sloppy with a chokeslam, they can simply refilm it rather than having to let a blown spot stand as canon in the match.

Definitely going to be a very different event, but I remain optimistic about it pulling off an entertaining, high quality show, even if it's a magnitude quieter than most.

It'd be kind of neat for there to be a Rock/Paper/Scissors between Brock/Goldberg/Kofi, where after Goldberg has beaten Brock, and Brock has beaten Kofi, now Kofi can come in and beat Brock.

And frankly, Kofi deserves better than the way his title reign ended. The fans will rally behind him if you let them.

Does Gronk have any wrestling training?

I would love for that to be the case, but Vince has been known to call in to remotely direct shows he's not present for. Late last year there was a Smackdown that was loudly announced as a "Vince won't be here" show, leading us all to expect that other staff would have complete control over the show that night. But reports came out day-of the event that Vince immediately started micromanaging the event from afar. WM is his baby and no matter what happens with the WWE and the XFL, I do not see him letting go of that show until he absolutely must.

I also agree that it would make sense to make the weekend (and bookcasing Friday and Monday) a supershow. It would help make the whole thing one ongoing narrative, would help cut back on all of the times when Takeover has overshadowed main roster matches, would let him bolster attendance at the less attended events by promising that the other brands would be represented, and make it easier to not have an 8 hour WM on Sunday.

Virtual Deck Reviews / Re: my first draft on Lacey Evans
« on: March 24, 2020, 10:22:52 AM »
Just to be clear: On its own Apply Illegal Leverage does not have a reversal restriction, it copies the text of the submission played before it. So if the prior submission had a reversal restriction in its text, AIL gains that restriction.

The go to combination in that regard is Clutch Onto Opponent. Please note that Modified Clutch Onto Opponent specifically says in its own text that you cannot play AIL after it. So, in your current list, you don't really have anything you could play it after. And since AIL is a Heel card, you'd have to completely rework the list to include AIL (getting rid of all of your Face cards since AIL is heel), but if you DID do that, when played after a maneuver with "diva", "woman", or "female" in the title, AIL would have those words in its text until the end of the turn, allowing it to potentially interact with Act Like a Lady.

And also, I don't want to make any assumptions, but hopefully you're aware that when you play Everyone Wants to Watch Women Wrestle with Act Like a Lady in your ring, you get to ignore "male" and "female" in its text, meaning it essentially reads:

Can only be packed by a Superstar.
When your opponent is a Superstar, search his Arsenal for 3 non-unique Maneuver cards, remove them from the game, and he shuffles his Arsenal.
When your opponent is a Superstar, this card is -1F, discard this card and your opponent discards 1 card.

Meaning you get both options against any opponent who has the word "Superstar" on their Superstar card, so substantially more useful in Lacey than other decks.

I believe that was confirmed on social media. And Gronk will be hosting both nights. Probably going to be a big weekend for Mojo! (lol)

Virtual Deck Reviews / Re: My Drew McIntyre deck...need advise
« on: March 18, 2020, 07:14:36 AM »
I know that the common wisdom is that "can not be reversed" is almost easier to reverse than a standard maneuver, but did you consider packing any of the Rakes? Seeing as they're all 1D hybrids, they seem like a good fit for Drew, especially when his ability gives you some room to fish for a new maneuver to follow-up if you're missing the right one after playing the Rake.

Virtual Deck Reviews / Re: Razor Ramon - BASH
« on: March 16, 2020, 06:55:07 AM »
Yeah, the only issue I see here is both sides not really explaining some of their criticisms/decisions proactively.

No slight to Hogtrail (whom I have a good opinion of as a deckbuilder), but when we get a deck list that doesn't really spell out some of these decisions beyond a quick sentence below the list, the reader will naturally question deviations from more obvious meta choices.  It's always been my problem with the deck forum (and I'm sure I've been guilty of it in the past): When you just post a list, it doesn't invite a lot of conversation about what you may be trying to do with the deck, so much as what other people would do with the deck. While that is certainly still valuable input (challenging your plan, making you think critically about choices), it isn't necessarily conducive to starting a productive conversation.

I guess my point here is that when people post a deck list (assuming they're posting their own list, and not just posting a tournament winning deck that someone else ran), it'd be nice to see it come with more discussion, even of seemingly obvious points. It makes the list more accessible to people who lack the context to simply look at the list of cards and immediately recognize what the deck is aiming for. This in turn is helpful both for encouraging productive criticism/discussion of the tactics/list, as well as giving newer and less informed players some grounding from which to both appreciate the list for what it is, and for what it might lend to other similar decks.

Virtual Raw Deal / Re: The Voice Of The Voiceless ?
« on: February 01, 2020, 08:15:50 AM »
You can’t play reversals like Strangle Hold and Backlash to Punk’s shoot maneuvers while TVoTV is in his ring.

The Voice of the Voiceless applies a restriction on the opposing player, not on the actual reversal card or the shoot maneuver itself.

IF what TVotV said was “Your shoot maneuvers gain the text ‘Cannot be reversed by non-Superstar-Specific 3D+ reversals.’” that would be an attempt to modify the maneuvers, and RMS would apply. But the focus of the relevant effect of TVotV specifically references and limits your opponent.

Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Virtual Holiday: Then, Now, Forever
« on: December 26, 2019, 06:53:25 AM »
So, for clarification: are Superstars with a modifier (such as GM Superstars, Chairman Superstars, and Tag Team Superstars) considered "Superstars" for cards like EWWWW?

Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Virtual Holiday: Then, Now, Forever
« on: December 23, 2019, 11:31:18 AM »
Thanks for the clarification. I love that Study the Tapes got a throwback. There was a time when it and Superior Training were in every deck I built.

Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Virtual Holiday: Then, Now, Forever
« on: December 23, 2019, 09:56:41 AM »
This is the last spoiler we'll be sharing before the set releases. Hopefully you'll be able to print and play everything online by the end of the 24th.

Study the Tapes (TB)
At the end of the Pre-match phase Promo:4 and remove the cards not chosen from the game.
When this card is in your Ring, your opponent's Superstar Specific non-Trademark Finisher hybrid reversals do no more than 5D.

I'm not clear on what reversals are having their damage limited. Hybrids played as a reversal are only a reversal, not a Trademark Finisher, so we're not talking about cards that are printed as hybrid with both types of TMF and Reversal. That would seem to indicate that we're talking about Superstar Specific cards that are hybrid reversals played against non-Trademark Finisher cards. So, for example, if Chris Jericho played his Springboard Drop Kick against his opponent's Roll out of the Ring, it's capped at 5D.

Is that right?

Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Virtual Holiday: Then, Now, Forever
« on: December 19, 2019, 08:54:29 AM »

Love the theme as well. Forever, hopefully, will be a Hulk Hogan or Ric Flair remake maybe?

Come on Jushin Liger! lol

Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Virtual Holiday: Then, Now, Forever
« on: December 13, 2019, 04:11:17 PM »
Are we going to get a "Sami Callahan, Joey Ryan, or... Luchasaurus?" Enforcer?


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