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Tournament Announcements / Re: Frankenstein 2020 Fixtures
« on: July 27, 2020, 06:34:18 PM »
Boogeyman (44F) pins 3MW (2F).

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Tournament Announcements / Re: Frankenstein 2020 Fixtures
« on: July 25, 2020, 10:27:03 PM »
3MW (43F) pins American Alpha (28F)

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Tournament Announcements / Re: Frankenstein 2020 Fixtures
« on: July 20, 2020, 02:38:43 PM »
3MW (dilbert, 57F) pins NoD (Bull, 6F)

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Virtual Raw Deal / V11 "Spoilers": Keywords and Wording Changes
« on: July 19, 2020, 11:35:15 PM »
Hey, everyone.

Playtesting for Virtual 11 is still underway, but I figured I'd take a moment to provide a spoiler of sorts, so that people can get a small taste of what we have coming down the pike, and given my particular purview, it seemed fitting that the spoiler I would put out would be new keywords/wording changes. Sorry, no spoilers on the actual cards from me; I defer that to others, but this will let everyone get a handle on the wording, so when you see the new cards, you'll know what we're doing and why. These are all fairly straightforward, though; no major game changers like Counter or Promo. This is a long post, so for those who just want the rules text without the explainer, that's at the bottom.

Enough preamble, I suppose: on with the good stuff.

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The first thing you will see is that, much like the Ringside Pile became the Ringside and the Ring Area became the Ring when we shifted to Virtual, the Backstage Area is now going to be the Backstage. We've used this terminology in the past, sporadically, and as far as I'm aware, most people just call it the Backstage anyway; we'll be using it consistently from now on. To provide an example of what cards will look like with this change, let's have a look at Hellraisers 'til the End, from Virtual 3.

Old Wording:
Hellraisers 'til the End
Action
During your turn, when this card is in your Ringside, you may put it into your Ring or Backstage Area.  When this card is in your Backstage Area, your Ability is blank.
ACE:  Before the Draw Segment of each of your turns, when this card is in your Ring or Backstage Area, you may overturn 2 cards and then put 1 card from your Ringside into your hand.
When this card is in your Ring or Backstage Area, you have lower Fortitude, and your opponent's Fortitude Rating is 10+, your Brothers 'til the End is F: 0.
F: 0     D: 0     Unique     Permanent     RMS logo

New Wording:
Hellraisers 'til the End
Action
During your turn, when this card is in your Ringside, you may put it into your Ring or Backstage. When this card is in your Backstage, your Ability is blank.
ACE:  Before the Draw Segment of each of your turns, when this card is in your Ring or Backstage, you may overturn 2 cards and then put 1 card from your Ringside into your hand.
When this card is in your Ring or Backstage, you have lower Fortitude, and your opponent's Fortitude Rating is 10+, your Brothers 'til the End is F: 0.
F: 0     D: 0     Unique     Permanent     RMS logo

It's a minor change, but it's still pretty clear, in our estimation, and it saves space on cards, which I can say with certainty is a goal of ours in any wording changes we introduce.

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Second, we have what I call "XX" cards. Over the years, when designing superstars around mechanics that are not traits, we've had to be quite wordy to make them work. I don't even want to know how many cards ask for "1 card with the word "punch" in the title" and the like. This seems really unnecessary, and going forward, it will be.

Starting with Virtual 11, any effect triggering off of a certain word in the title of a card will simply list that word in quotation marks, rather than spelling out "with the word "XX" in the title."

To give a pair of examples:

Old Wording:

Luke Harper
Starting Hand Size: 7     Superstar Value: 1
Superstar Ability:  When you successfully play a non-Revolution maneuver with 'slam', 'bomb', 'clothesline', or 'lariat' in the title, you may Promo: 3 and then put up to 1 card from your Ringside on the bottom of your Arsenal.

Mick Foley
Starting Hand Size: 7     Superstar Value: 5
Legend Superstar Ability:  Once during each of your turns, you may shuffle 3 cards in your Ring with 'cheap' in the title into your Arsenal, and then put 1 card in your opponent's Ring into his Ringside.
For every 2 cards in your Ring with 'cheap' in the title, your Fortitude Rating is +1F and his maneuvers are -1D.
Your Superstar-specific Actions can only be reversed by Superstar-specific reversals, and his card effects cannot prevent you from playing cards with 'cheap pop' in the title.
You may pack Have a Nice Day!, Mandible Claw, Mr. Socko, Psychedelic Dance Fever, Three Faces of Foley, and Tree Of Woe.  You cannot pack Corners, Managers, Run-ins, or You Talkin' To Me?

New Wording:

Luke Harper
Starting Hand Size: 7     Superstar Value: 1
Superstar Ability:  When you successfully play a non-Revolution "slam", "bomb", "clothesline", or "lariat" maneuver, you may Promo: 3 and then put up to 1 card from your Ringside on the bottom of your Arsenal.

Mick Foley
Starting Hand Size: 7     Superstar Value: 5
Legend Superstar Ability:  Once during each of your turns, you may shuffle 3 "cheap" cards from your Ring into your Arsenal, and then put 1 card in your opponent's Ring into his Ringside.
For every 2 "cheap" cards in your Ring , your Fortitude Rating is +1F and his maneuvers are -1D.
Your Superstar-specific Actions can only be reversed by Superstar-specific reversals, and his card effects cannot prevent you from playing "cheap pop" cards.
You may pack Have a Nice Day!, Mandible Claw, Mr. Socko, Psychedelic Dance Fever, Three Faces of Foley, and Tree Of Woe.  You cannot pack Corners, Managers, Run-ins, or You Talkin' To Me?

This will work in combination with other keywords as well: "Arsenal Search 1 "Dynamic" Strike" would let a player find any 1 Strike in their Arsenal with "Dynamic" in the title, for example.

It is worth noting that there are two other situations where we will not be using this template, to avoid confusion. If a card is looking for a word in the text, or title and text of another card, rather than just the title, we will be using the old "card with "x" in the text" template.

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Third, and perhaps the most significant across all cards, is that we are retiring the phrases "remove from the game," "removes from the game," "removed from the game," and "removed from the game area." We refer to this area, and this action, constantly, and again to the best of my knowledge, players almost never say the full term, so why should the card? Say hello to RFG.

RFG will be used in multiple scenarios, replacing the full term in each. It will be context sensitive, so "shuffle up to 3 RFG cards into your Arsenal" will read as "3 cards removed from the game," whereas "RFG 3 cards in your opponent's hand" will read as "remove 3 cards in your opponent's hand from the game."

One very important element of this wording change is that we are aware that many cards already printed in Raw Deal use the older wording, and we not only aren't interested in rewording every card, we can't. We don't intend to break functionality across sets, so any card effect that uses the new wording will be considered to use the older wording as well, and vice versa. If an effect would require Alberto Del Rio to randomly RFG cards, he may choose the same number of cards, just as if the effect said "randomly remove # cards from the game." If you have a question about how a card interacts with the new templating, you can mentally substitute the old template; it is intended to work the same way, every time.

Now, what might cards using this template look like? Let's ask some people who care very much about this sort of thing: the Million Dollar Corporation.

*** THE MILLION DOLLAR CORPORATION ***

The Million Dollar Corporation     (Million Dollar Man Ted DiBiase, IRS, Bam Bam Bigelow, Sid, Nikolai Volkoff logos)
Pre-match Faction
You can pack this card regardless of Superstar.
You are now a Million Dollar Corporation Member.
When you have 10 or more cards RFG, your maneuvers without 'reverse' in the text are -2F and +1D, and your non-Superstar-specific actions are -2F.
When your logo is printed on this card, your maneuvers are -2F and +1D for every non-Heat Backlash card RFG.
F: 0     D: 0     Unique     Permanent

You Will Be Bought!
Action
Can only be played by a Million Dollar Corporation Member.
Choose one: blank 1 non-Enforcer Backstage card until the end of your next turn, or your opponent plays with his hand revealed until the end of your next turn.
When your logo is printed on The Million Dollar Corporation, this card can only be reversed by Unique cards, ACE: and during your turn you may RFG this card and then your next card played this turn is -1F for every non-Heat card RFG.
F: 0     D: 0     Unique

Tax Tips from I.R.S.
Action + Action
Can only be played by a Million Dollar Corporation Member.
Shuffle up to 2 of your RFG cards into your Arsenal.
When your logo is printed on The Million Dollar Corporation, before each of your opponent's Draw Segment, he may discard 1 card and overturn 1 card; when you have less cards in hand and lower Fortitude, double those numbers.  If he does not, you may put 1 card with damage equal to or less than your Fortitude from his Ring into his Ringside; when you are Irwin R. Schyster, you may RFG that card instead, then discard 1 card.
F: 7     D: 0     Unique

A Vicious Corporate Takeover
Action
Can only be played by a Million Dollar Corporation Member.
Put up to 3 cards from your hand on the bottom of your Arsenal and RFG the same number of cards in your Ringside, and shuffle up to the same number of RFG cards +1 into your Arsenal.
When your logo is printed on The Million Dollar Corporation, this card is -5F, and when successfully played you may also RFG the same number of non-maneuver cards from your opponent's Ring.
F: 12     D: 3     Unique

The Beast Money Can Buy
Mid-Match Action
When you are a printed member of the Million Dollar Corporation and this card is going to your Ringside or RFG, put it into your Backlash instead.
The number of your RFG cards is considered double.
ACE: When you are a printed member of the Million Dollar Corporation and you have at least 4 cards in your hand, you may discard your hand, put up to # of your RFG cards on the bottom of your Arsenal, and then draw # cards, where # is the amount of Stun Value in your Ring and cannot be greater than 4.
F: 16   D: 0     SV: 1     Unique

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OK, I know that was one hell of a lot of text being thrown at people. I wanted to put this out there now, so that everyone has a chance to digest these changes early on; that way, when the new set is revealed, we can skip the rules primer and get right to the games. One thing I'd like to clarify is that we're only using these going forward; we aren't going back and editing old cards to bring them in line with the new wordings (unless we do another Virtual Survivor Series someday, but I make no promises on that front.) If you have any questions about how these will work going forward, please feel free to ask them on TCO, Discord, or the Facebook page, and I will be happy to help (as will other members of the team, I'm quite sure.) Be on the lookout for more spoilers as we enter the run-up to V11!

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Now, the teal deer:

1) Backstage Area renamed to Backstage.

2) "XX" cards: replaces "card with the word "XX" in the title"; this will not be used if a card is looking for that word in the text, or in the title and text.

3) RFG: Keyword to replace "remove from the game," "removes from the game," "removed from the game," or "in the removed from the game area," as appropriate. RFG is considered to be the longer term, so cards and effects that trigger when you remove something from the game will trigger when a card uses the RFG wording as well.

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Tournament Announcements / Re: Frankenstein 2020 point system
« on: July 12, 2020, 07:51:22 AM »
Conveniently, I do know how to make a poll, so I've done so, and thrown my vote in that way.

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Tournament Announcements / Re: OCTGN Frankenstein Tournament Signups
« on: July 08, 2020, 11:40:41 AM »
Oh side question:
Will remakes being in the backlash and Arsenal list?
I mean it would kinda suck to get a say YFH's Arsenal and all

6 ) For fairness, if a player receives only superstar options with 0 or 1 card in the given zone, they may discard both options and receive a new set of options; however, this replacement will not apply if the player has chosen the random topdeck option.

IOW, they'll be in the pool (I mean, sometimes the card they get is good enough to justify it and you might actually want them), but if you only turn up 8th Wonder and YFH for Arsenal, you can replace them free. However, if you turn down two options, and your random third card is YFH, then you have 60 slots for non-specifics.

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Tournament Announcements / OCTGN Frankenstein Tournament Signups
« on: July 08, 2020, 08:49:51 AM »
The next OCTGN Raw Deal tournament will be a Frankenstein tournament, with a live draw this Saturday, July 11, at 4:00 PM EST. (1 PST, 9 GMT)

Frankenstein tournaments work a bit differently than a standard event. Rather than selecting a superstar directly, players will be constructing decks with a given Superstar and Backstage, a different superstar's Backlash specifics, and a third superstar's Arsenal specifics. These three superstar assignments will be made with the assistance of a randomizer.

Process:
1 ) The player will receive a choice of two random superstars; they will use the selected superstar's face card and any Backstage cards. Note that this is specifically the superstar you are given: The Second Coming's logo does not appear on World Tour 05, so he does not receive permission to pack those.

2 ) The player may reject both options; if they do, they will be given the next superstar off the top of the deck. They MUST use that superstar, and cannot revert back to one of the rejected options.

3 ) This process will repeat for Backlash, and finally for Arsenal. Again, at any stage, a player may decline their two choices, but they will be locked into the next choice off the top of the deck, sight unseen. As before, you receive only those cards with that superstar's logo; The 8th Wonder of the World TB only allows the packing of Giant Braintrust in the Arsenal, not all Andre cards.

4 ) The player will then build a standard Virtual Classic deck using these specifics instead of the specifics normally packed by their Superstar. This applies to any superstar with blanket packing permissions from an Ability, as well: The People's Champ, who normally may pack cards with the Rock logo, may not do so unless the player chooses The Rock in another draw. HOWEVER, any superstar card that gives specific packing permission for individual cards may pack that card, and any non-Ability packing permissions are allowed. Nidia is specifically permitted to pack Tough Enough in her ability; she may do so. She may also pack Jamie Noble-specific non-maneuver, non-Backstage cards except Nidia Interferes, due to the text on Jamie Noble is in My Corner.

5 ) Any superstars not chosen will be returned to the randomizer deck for other players' consideration, however once a superstar has been chosen for any of a player's three slots, that superstar cannot be assigned again.

6 ) For fairness, if a player receives only superstar options with 0 or 1 card in the given zone, they may discard both options and receive a new set of options; however, this replacement will not apply if the player has chosen the random topdeck option.

7 ) Players present at the live draw will draft in the order of their signup in this thread; anyone who cannot be present can make arrangements for a draw at a mutually agreeable time after the live draw is complete.

8 ) Selections are public knowledge, and will be reported here when the draw is complete.

Registered players:
PlayerSuperstarBacklashArsenal
Dilbert5053 Minute WarningRhodes Bros.Skip Sheffield
mikeskizoMolly HollyMaryseThe Hurri-Friends
Davie_Stevie_87Lex LugerChris JerichoSgt. Slaughter
ScottyBoogeymanMickie JamesRight to Censor
Jfman89Babe of the YearR-TruthJohn Morrison
kaiten619The Blue Blazer (but definitely not Owen Hart, no sir.)Miz & MorrisonUmaga
HogtrailBig EDean MalenkoJohnny Nitro
niiiick (qchawk on Discord)Jerry LawlerStacy KieblerSting
CRASHERBilly & ChuckTestYokozuna
KrillinFinn BalorBritish BulldogD-Von Dudley
BigPimpin (MightyBP on Discord)Jamie NobleAsukaHart Foundation
ImaHeymanguy21 (easye2187 on Discord)Kevin NashThe Four HorsemenGoldberg
Keith0913832The Best Wrestler in the WorldEdgeRandy Orton
imc2002 MitchAmerican AlphaNew Age OutlawsLos Guerreros
NeptuneAndre the GiantMr. PerfectDoes it matter? (The Largest Athlete in Sports Entertainment)
BullNation of DominationCactus JackAlexa Bliss


Any other questions, please feel free to ask below or on the Discord. Once the tournament structure is settled and dates are finalized, this post will be updated with that information as well.

EDIT: There has been a question on how to deal with "NAMED SUPERSTAR-specific" references on cards, as opposed to "Superstar-specific." For example, The Lone Warrior TB's He Can't Be Slowed Down has text referring to Goldberg-specific Actions. This can be handled one of two ways in this tournament: either "Goldberg-specific" means exactly that, and The Lone Warrior will not benefit from that text unless he ends up with Goldberg-specifics in his Arsenal, or "Goldberg-specific" means "specifics with the logo of the superstar you have drawn for that zone", and whichever specifics they are, you may benefit. As in normal Raw Deal, in either case, "Superstar-specific" will apply no matter what. Please select a poll option at the top, and we will codify the rules with that.

EDIT 2: Slight oversight on my part, but the Gail Kim/Molly Holly superstar card will be a valid choice for SUPERSTAR ONLY. Should that card come up for a player's Backlash or Arsenal selection, they will be replaced for free.

EDIT 3: Per our previous poll, by a 9-6 vote, NAMED SUPERSTAR-specific will refer to cards with that logo only. There is a new poll, regarding the tournament format. Please vote as soon as you can.

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Rules Forum / Re: Rabid Attack in the Corner and Superplex
« on: June 25, 2020, 05:55:34 AM »
Oh, I like straightforward questions. Yes, you may.

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Rules Forum / Re: Con-Chair-To
« on: June 23, 2020, 12:20:04 PM »
No. Goldberg's permission to pack a Superstar-specific card of his choice with "spear" in the title is not the same as being able to pack Edge-specific cards, even if there is an Edge-specific card that meets the criterion laid out.

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Rules Forum / Re: Master of the W-O-R-M
« on: June 18, 2020, 11:30:36 PM »
As worded, the reversal would have to be printed Scotty-specific. If it wanted any reversal, the text would be "Once during each of your turns, when a reversal or printed Scotty 2 Hotty-specific Trademark Finisher is in your Ringside..."

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Rules Forum / Re: French Phenom
« on: June 15, 2020, 08:52:28 PM »
Confirming, based on the ruling from here: http://teamcanadaonline.net///index.php/topic,15968.msg209873.html#msg209873

Damage and overturn target the actual Arsenal only, and do not interact with French Phenom, but effects that specifically interact with the "top card of your Arsenal" will target the card under French Phenom. This does include things like Road Dogg's ability; however, MRP for Kick reads "When successfully played, overturn 1 card," as DebuRaito rightly points out. This card no longer interacts with French Phenom.

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Arn Anderson (57F) wins via countout over John Morrison (34F), after a 3 hour Iron Man match.

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Online Play / Re: OCTGN Errors/Updates/Suggestions
« on: June 05, 2020, 05:37:10 PM »
Legendary Assistance does not appear to exist in the deckbuilder.

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I'm claiming a spot in the tournament, but I haven't decided who I want to play yet. If I'm sniped to a particular Superstar, so be it.

Edit: OK, I'll run Arn Anderson.

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Rules Forum / Re: The Revival
« on: May 28, 2020, 11:00:40 PM »
That is a static effect, sir; feel free to use that one every turn.

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Not so much Raw Deal Logic; that's just what the phrase means. Allowing a player to do something, by definition, involves giving them the choice to do it or not. It's intended as a cost you're paying to get Orlando back, not a clock to help kill your opponent. If the effect was mandatory, it would say "When this card is in your Ringside pile, during your turn you may put this card into your Ring area and your opponent draws 3 cards."

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General Chat / Re: It's Time.
« on: May 25, 2020, 09:06:40 PM »
Thank you, Daeva, for all you've done for Raw Deal. The privilege has been ours. I can say with some certainty that we would not be here today had you not shepherded the game through its first 12 years of community production, fighting the ruleset into something manageable and understandable. I know that a good half of my understanding of how this game operates comes not from the OmniFAQ and Timing Breakdown, but from reading your explanations of card interactions in the Rules forum, and seeing how each of the pieces comes together to form a coherent whole. We can even forgive you for Vickie. Mostly. ;)

Whatever I can do as Rules Manager will be because I stand upon the shoulders of giants. Which is a terrible idea, by the by; I have absolute garbage balance, and could stand to lose a few pounds to boot. But nonetheless, I'm happy for the opportunity to help keep Raw Deal alive and well, and will do my utmost to ensure that I provide fair, reasonable analysis of the rules, and take swift action if needed to correct anything that comes out of design and playtesting less than fully baked.

Three cheers for one of the main reasons we're all still here! Happy trails.

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Rules Forum / Re: Test Questions
« on: May 22, 2020, 10:46:41 PM »
As for the other question:

http://teamcanadaonline.net///index.php/topic,16626.msg192895.html#msg192895

Doubling effects don't stack. Both cards look at, say, 3 reversals in his Ring, and go "OK, 3x2=6. He has 6 reversals in his Ring."

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Rules Forum / Re: Test and Overrated Superstar
« on: May 11, 2020, 11:34:12 AM »
Even when cards happen "together" (like Panics) they still resolve one at a time. This card isn't even one of those; two copies of Overrated are two separate cards activating separately.

If, after the first Overrated Superstar has resolved, Test's opponent still meets the hand size criterion, he may put in another one. Otherwise, he may not.

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Online Organized Play / Re: OCTGN Virtual Tournament
« on: April 27, 2020, 05:11:04 PM »
BFM (57F) pins Sid (11F).

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Rules Forum / Re: Gut Buster on the top rope
« on: April 26, 2020, 08:51:32 PM »
If the Gut Buster on the Top Rope is not modified by other cards, he may not play Restricted Use at all. If it is modified by other things, Restricted Use could strip away those outside modifications, leaving only the cannot be reversed text on the Buster itself to deal with.

The cannot be reversed text is not an outside restriction; it is printed on the card, and therefore Restricted Use does nothing to that text.

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Online Organized Play / Re: OCTGN Virtual Tournament
« on: April 20, 2020, 05:18:50 PM »
BFM (32F) pins Sabu (2F).

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Professional Wrestling Discussion / Howard Finkel, 1950-2020
« on: April 16, 2020, 09:18:13 AM »
The voice of my childhood has gone silent. Requiescat in pace, Fink.

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Professional Wrestling Discussion / Re: WWE and AEW: SHUT DOWN NOW
« on: April 14, 2020, 01:06:56 PM »
Yeah, I saw that. Maybe it’s me, but I fail to understand how pro wrestling can be “essential”.

Actually I can, but that’ll be bringing up politics, which I absolutely will not do anymore in a public forum like this.

Panem et circenses, QR, that's all I'll say to that.

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Online Organized Play / Re: OCTGN Virtual Tournament
« on: April 04, 2020, 12:28:22 PM »
Dilbert - Big Freak'n Machine

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