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Deck Reviews - Classic / Re: TB Hulk Hogan
« on: July 15, 2018, 08:45:05 PM »
To clarify (since I'm not sure everyone noticed that this was posted in the Classic forum): In classic, this deck works just fine.

Thank you, and I know there's a lot of people posting their VC decklists in here as well so it does get confusing.

Deck Reviews - Classic / Re: TB Hulk Hogan
« on: July 15, 2018, 08:01:02 AM »
Well aside the fact that the premiere is a coaster and the tb undisputed title is a MUCH better option.... Brother!!

Well, it's a classic deck so this doesn't work?

That aside, one more idea would be to run I've Had More Championships Than You've Had Women and run as many belts as you possibly have, allowing you to smash their deck using Premiere WWF/WWE Superstar.

I've Had More Championships than You've Had Women
Pre-match Event
Cannot be packed by a GM Superstar.
When this card is in your Ring area, your Title Belt cards have the added text of "The maximum number of Pre-match cards you may have in your Ring area is increased by 1."
F: 0      D: 0

I'm personally hoping we get The Revival, in some way or form, either in V9 or in VHS4, they've played way too big a role in the NXT tag division that missing them out would be quite sad. Hell, I'm pulling for Baron Corbin though, he really deserves a spot.

Reading one of the older posts by Eric and realized he's no longer part of the confirmed roster. Does that mean Samoa Joe isn't in v9 anymore?

Deck Reviews - Virtual / Re: [VC] APA Funk Con 2018
« on: July 06, 2018, 09:30:31 PM »
Toss in all the belts with a "I've had more championships than you've had women" and burn it down!

Deck Reviews - Virtual / Re: Rock and Sock FunkCON decklist/report
« on: July 04, 2018, 10:17:09 AM »
Just curious, why pack Premiere WWF superstar?

Isn't it blanked by Enough Shenanigans?

Yes, it's 99% worthless and I normally would pack the Guest Ringside Announcer in place of it, but I didn't print a proxy of it, and was short on cards to choose from before heading from the house (my pool of Raw Deal cards is extremely limited). On short notice I wasn't sure if anyone would have a better pre-match option, which just about anything is with the Shenanigans cards. And the one game I did play it I believe Doucebag was overturned on it and stopped it. Just a good example of how this deck still can be improved.

No, the reason why the Shenanigans blanked it was because of the wording on Premiere WWF Superstar, it forces opponents to put a certain amount of cards from the top of the deck into the ringside which bypasses overturned reversals so Douchebag/Carlito/etc doesn't hit it. And besides, your own Enough Shenanigans would have blanked it either way so it shouldn't have done anything at all.

Deck Reviews - Virtual / Re: Rock and Sock FunkCON decklist/report
« on: July 04, 2018, 10:00:37 AM »
Just curious, why pack Premiere WWF superstar?

Isn't it blanked by Enough Shenanigans?

I also like PSS Rey. B2B Rey not as much as I feel the 0f B2B moves kinda suck.

But it doesn't matter that much when your opponent doesn't even get to have a turn

Deck Reviews - Virtual / Re: Devil's Favorite Demon
« on: June 27, 2018, 08:32:10 PM »
Frankly, again it goes back to the meta of the place you're playing at, I suppose, since Volley decks are much more common where I'm at.

Picking up Boots at 6 RFG per pickup sounds bad tho, and serves to cripple your deck harder, I'd still pack a Making Your Escape as a tech option so I don't automatically lose a matchup against a volley deck.

Deck Reviews - Virtual / Re: Devil's Favorite Demon
« on: June 27, 2018, 05:38:40 PM »
Squeeze in a Making Your Escape somehow, learned it the hard way after facing a Volley deck that you can't play this deck without it.

I know it's kinda unlikely, but will we be getting some Fashion Police love in Raw Deal?

Did you consider running non-tb Inferno Match? It also gives you 1F and burns each player.

Initially, I did consider Dynamic to be kinda bad, but with Old School Wrestling Match TB being another popular stipulation, it might work to have a few more maneuvers in your deck to avoid getting burned out by it.

Am personally not a fan of Rochester and ICBRTR as OSCM hits the deck very very hard.

Will personally recommend getting 10 dynamic cards (that doesn't include finisher) into the deck and abuse Luck of the Draw instead for safer, and much more reliable recursion.

Rules Forum / Miz and his prematches
« on: May 11, 2018, 08:16:13 PM »
Got a question regarding the card text for the Miz. Does 'I Came To Play!' check for "trash talk" within quotation signs? And if so, are his superstar-specifics also getting the benefit of taking up no pre-match slots?

I Came To Play!
Pre-match Event
Cannot be blanked.
Your cards with "trash talk" in the title or text do not take up a Pre-match slot in your Ring.
When you would discard cards for your opponent's effects, you may instead overturn the same number of cards.
F: 0     D: 0     Permanent     Unique

Miz TV
Pre-match Event
Cannot be blanked, and your opponent cannot prevent you from playing this card.
The first time you Activate a card with 'trash talk' in the title or text each turn, the effect cannot be reversed.
ACE: Once during each of your turns, you may overturn 1 card and search your Arsenal for Grab the Mic, reveal it, put it in your hand, and shuffle.
F: 0     D: 0     Unique     Permanent

We will be revealing two new Superstars that you will see in Virtual 9 on the Backlash Podcast tomorrow.

Love the podcast as usual! And they've confirmed Alexa Bliss and Asuka! Love the superstar choices!!!

6 from EricRD + 2 from Creed:
Mojo Rawley
The Ascension
Tyler Breeze
Adrian Neville
Bo Dallas
Finn Balor

With 6 slots left and the hint being PPVs around this period, here's the list of superstars narrowed down to the few PPVs around Feb 14 (NXT Arrival). I could be on to something, or totally off, but this is afterall just speculation! No points for guessing them wrong or right, but i did mark my guesses!

Royal Rumble (Jan 14): only El Torito surprisingly
Elimination Chamber (Feb 14): Curtis Axel, Cameron, Tamina Snuka, Zeb Colter?!?. There's Christian* too... so a legend version could be possible!
Wrestlemania (Apr 14): Los Matadores, Real Americans, Rybaxel, Aksana, Alicia Fox (would love to see her)*, Eva Marie*, Naomi*, Rosa Mendes, Yoshi Tatsu and Brad Maddox
NXT Takeover (May 14): Adam Rose, Camacho, Tyson Kidd*
NXT Takeover II (Sep 14): Lucha Dragons*, Bull Dempsey, Sylvester Lefort

I would actually pinpoint it around 2016 rather than 2014 since Nakamura's on the list (even if they started planning around '14). So I'll use NXT TakeOver: London/Dallas as my template for predictions:
1. Asuka
2. American Alpha
3. The Revival
4. Samoa Joe
5. Baron Corbin
6. Carmella

Rules Forum / Mid-Match Slot question
« on: April 27, 2018, 07:19:01 PM »
Just need a clarification: If I have available mid-match slots and a mid-match card that is put into my ring is activated to enter the ring (eg. Matt Striker), would it take up a mid-match slot?

Meanwhile, I'll confirm two very obvious and expected names:  Finn Bálor and Shinsuke Nakamura.


This would be interesting! Balor would be interesting and I can't wait to see what TCO will do with his gimmick!

Fantasy Cards / Re: Bobby Roode
« on: April 19, 2018, 05:40:42 PM »
...Look no TNA bit is getting made into a card before I get a 141 and 2/3rds percent card for Big Poppa Pump.

As long as it spells disaster for Senor Joe at Sackerfice, I'll be all for it!

The ones being teased right now off the top of my head are:
1. Emma
2. Enzo & Cass
3. Carmella
4. Bo Dallas
5. Adam Rose?
6. Curtis Axel
7. Ascension
8. Samoa Joe
9. Tyson Kidd
10. Kevin Thorn

Out of these, I really hope to get Joe, Carmella, Ascension, Bo, Curtis and Emma soon. But of course, I do hope we get some surprises that haven't seen much teasing yet like Asuka and Nakamura but they can wait. Can't wait for December to arrive faster so we can get our holiday set fix for the year!  :laugh:

Rules Forum / Re: Need help on a timing issue
« on: April 17, 2018, 09:54:58 PM »
Short answer
Yes you can target the successfully played maneuver.  If you do, its text and damage do not apply, but outside effects will.

It's a game rule that a card that leaves the Ring no longer has an effect on the game (unless the card moves itself as part of the timing sequence - see Iron Will).

Let's walk through the timing breakdown together assuming you meet the requirements to use Managed by Paul Heyman as the question asks. I'll quote the relevant steps at the bottom for reference.

Timing Step 6 - opponent's maneuver is successful and goes to the Ring.
Timing Step 7a - any outside "successfully played" effects for the player who played the maneuver fire - draw 1 for Managed by Lita, recover one for Flawless Execution, Heidenreich Superstar Ability, etc.
Timing Step 7b - now any of YOUR outside effects for his successfully played maneuvers fire.  This is where the text of Paul Heyman Guy works.  Managed by Paul Heyman activates immediately (and your opponent cannot reverse it because he cannot use reversal effects on his turn).  Since the successful maneuver is in the Ring as of Step 6, it can be targeted as long as it's a non-Backlash card (as Managed by Paul Heyman can't touch Backlash deck cards).   

Here's where the above game rule comes in.  The second you kick the maneuver to the Ringside, it no longer affects the game, ending the timing breakdown.  Which means that the text (normally resolved in step 8 ) and damage (step 9) are not there anymore, so there's nothing to resolve.

6 The card is now 'Successfully Played' and enters the Ring Area.  If this card is reversing the card in question (it is not the first reversal to a Multi, it is not Over Sell Maneuver), the affected maneuver is now considered reversed. (Any text on the card and any Traits on the card are considered to be in your Ring Area after this step is complete. This excludes text that would modify or trigger in any of the first six steps.)
6a Some cards are put into the Ringside Pile or other area instead of going to the Ring Area (Iron Will etc.) The Timing Breakdown still continues as normal, these cards never enter the Ring Area.  They will resolve during the text resolution (Step 8) at that time, and will still resolve to its destination even if blanked.

7a Effects you control (other than this card's text taking place when played or when successful played) that trigger on a Successfully Played card take place. In the event of more than one effect, you choose which order they occur.
7b Effects your opponent controls that trigger on a Successfully Played card take place. Opponent chooses the order. (This is where cards such as Over Sell Maneuver and Sustained Damage are played.)

8 Apply effects listed on the card, unless these effects take place ‘when played’ or ‘when this card is in’ a specified area.

9a Chance for activated damage modification (Sustained Damage, Los Guerreros)
9b Damage is overturned one card at a time. Appropriate reversals may be overturned.  (This is also the Step where cards are overturned for Raw & Ready, Over Sell Maneuver, and other cards that replace damage with overturning cards.)
9c Effects generated from resolving a maneuver’s damage may be performed by the player of the original card (searching for a Chain card, for example)
9d Effects generated from resolving a maneuver’s damage may be performed by the opponent (Jamie Noble’s superstar ability, activating There’s No Holding Me Back)
9e Any ‘end the turn’ effects are resolved, along with any effects triggered by ending the turn.

Thanks for the detailed explanation. Really appreciate it!!

Rules Forum / Re: Need help on a timing issue
« on: April 17, 2018, 01:43:22 AM »
I think the wrong card was referenced.  Likely this is what we're actually talking about:

I'm a Paul Heyman Guy
Mid-match Action + Action: Run-in
Cannot be packed by Paul Heyman.  Cannot be reversed when you have a card with 'Heyman' in the title in your Ring.
Search your Arsenal and Ringside for Paul Heyman's Shoot Promo, reveal it, put it into your hand, and shuffle; that card is -4F and cannot be reversed.
When your opponent has at least 15 greater Fortitude and he successfully plays a maneuver, you may ignore the 'during your turn' text on your Managed by Paul Heyman and immediately Activate it.
F: 3     D: 0     Unique     Multi


Ah yes, I was checking for someone in my playgroup and forgot to actually check if the text was the right one. Just wanted to ask if it works on your opponent's turn in such a case, how would the timing breakdown function?

Rules Forum / Need help on a timing issue
« on: April 14, 2018, 09:10:13 PM »
Recently, our playgroup has been discussing how certain interactions work within the Timing Breakdown and encountered a specific situation that needed clarification.

The situation:
Opponent successfully plays a maneuver, resolves effect as per the Timing Breakdown, then player activates Managed by Paul Heyman to remove the maneuver (he has The Paul Heyman Guys in the Ring Area as well).

Since the maneuver is successfully played and resolves to the Ring Area, when the player activates MbPH to remove the maneuver:

a) Can he target the already-resolved maneuver? I understand the effect is being played at the stage where Sustained Damage, etc is being played. Thus, it should be able to target the maneuver if it already resolves to the Ring Area, am I correct?

b) Does the removed maneuver still do damage? The Timing Breakdown doesn't really mention if damage is still dealt if the maneuver is removed from the ring prior to damage calculation, but I believe it still is in the process of resolution thus the player takes damage even though he removed the maneuver from the Ring Area?

Thanks in advance for helping me out!

Managed by Paul Heyman
Pre-match Manager: Heel
When this card is in your Ring area, as a Mid-match Action, you may put this card into your Ringside pile, you must discard 1 card, and then put 1 non-Backlash-deck card in your opponent's Ring area into his Ringside pile.
Universally Unique
F: 0      D: 0

The Paul Heyman Guys     (Brock, Cesaro, CM Punk, Ryback)
Pre-match Event / Mid-match Action
This card is packed as a Pre-match or Mid-match. Cannot be blanked.
Your I'm a Paul Heyman Guy! is -3F and can only be reversed by Unique reversals; when your Paul Heyman's Shoot Promo would be removed from the game, put it on the bottom of your Arsenal instead; and when you successfully play or Activate a card with "Heyman" in the title, you may Promo: 3.
ACE:  When you Promo, you may put this card in your Ringside and then put 1 card not chosen in your hand and up to 1 card not chosen on the bottom of your Arsenal instead.
During your turn when this card is in your Ringside, you may put it into your Backlash and end your turn.
F: 0     D: 0     Unique

Rules Forum / Re: The Manbeast of NXT Qns
« on: April 08, 2018, 09:14:04 PM »
I'm pretty sure what it is saying is that you can't pack printed foreign objects, but for the effects of your SS cards your normal maneuvers are treated as if they are foreign objects. Being treated as foreign objects by certain SS cards doesn't make them actually foreign objects.

Don't think it works that way. When you're building your deck, the maneuvers that are 5-F are not Foreign Objects yet until this card is in your ring area and you get the effect. However, packing rules immediately kick in while you're building your deck so it shouldn't clash.

But, for now, don't worry about the newer Rhyno cards released in v8, the TCO team have discussed a rewording/errata, since the card isn't working as intended, which is to proc Rhyno's ability along with other Rhyno cards (which it is already doing, by the wording) so we players will just have to wait and see how everything goes. A more detailed read-up on the matter on this thread:,17777.0.html

I'm guessing since you're running High Flying Style, you might as well go all-in for the theme.

Add the new HFS support Cruiserweight-Style Action and maybe a Cruiserweight belt or Managed by the Coach to search for a Japanese Arm Drag (it becomes a 0F 4D High Risk) and swing it with a Turn Up The Heat protected by Mean Gene.

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