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Tournament Announcements / Re: OCTGN Frankenstein Tournament Signups
« on: July 08, 2020, 11:40:41 AM »
Oh side question:
Will remakes being in the backlash and Arsenal list?
I mean it would kinda suck to get a say YFH's Arsenal and all

6 ) For fairness, if a player receives only superstar options with 0 or 1 card in the given zone, they may discard both options and receive a new set of options; however, this replacement will not apply if the player has chosen the random topdeck option.

IOW, they'll be in the pool (I mean, sometimes the card they get is good enough to justify it and you might actually want them), but if you only turn up 8th Wonder and YFH for Arsenal, you can replace them free. However, if you turn down two options, and your random third card is YFH, then you have 60 slots for non-specifics.

Tournament Announcements / OCTGN Frankenstein Tournament Signups
« on: July 08, 2020, 08:49:51 AM »
The next OCTGN Raw Deal tournament will be a Frankenstein tournament, with a live draw this Saturday, July 11, at 4:00 PM EST. (1 PST, 9 GMT)

Frankenstein tournaments work a bit differently than a standard event. Rather than selecting a superstar directly, players will be constructing decks with a given Superstar and Backstage, a different superstar's Backlash specifics, and a third superstar's Arsenal specifics. These three superstar assignments will be made with the assistance of a randomizer.

1 ) The player will receive a choice of two random superstars; they will use the selected superstar's face card and any Backstage cards. Note that this is specifically the superstar you are given: The Second Coming's logo does not appear on World Tour 05, so he does not receive permission to pack those.

2 ) The player may reject both options; if they do, they will be given the next superstar off the top of the deck. They MUST use that superstar, and cannot revert back to one of the rejected options.

3 ) This process will repeat for Backlash, and finally for Arsenal. Again, at any stage, a player may decline their two choices, but they will be locked into the next choice off the top of the deck, sight unseen. As before, you receive only those cards with that superstar's logo; The 8th Wonder of the World TB only allows the packing of Giant Braintrust in the Arsenal, not all Andre cards.

4 ) The player will then build a standard Virtual Classic deck using these specifics instead of the specifics normally packed by their Superstar. This applies to any superstar with blanket packing permissions from an Ability, as well: The People's Champ, who normally may pack cards with the Rock logo, may not do so unless the player chooses The Rock in another draw. HOWEVER, any superstar card that gives specific packing permission for individual cards may pack that card, and any non-Ability packing permissions are allowed. Nidia is specifically permitted to pack Tough Enough in her ability; she may do so. She may also pack Jamie Noble-specific non-maneuver, non-Backstage cards except Nidia Interferes, due to the text on Jamie Noble is in My Corner.

5 ) Any superstars not chosen will be returned to the randomizer deck for other players' consideration, however once a superstar has been chosen for any of a player's three slots, that superstar cannot be assigned again.

6 ) For fairness, if a player receives only superstar options with 0 or 1 card in the given zone, they may discard both options and receive a new set of options; however, this replacement will not apply if the player has chosen the random topdeck option.

7 ) Players present at the live draw will draft in the order of their signup in this thread; anyone who cannot be present can make arrangements for a draw at a mutually agreeable time after the live draw is complete.

8 ) Selections are public knowledge, and will be reported here when the draw is complete.

Registered players:
niiiick (qchawk on Discord)
BigPimpin (MightyBP on Discord)

Any other questions, please feel free to ask below or on the Discord. Once the tournament structure is settled and dates are finalized, this post will be updated with that information as well.

EDIT: There has been a question on how to deal with "NAMED SUPERSTAR-specific" references on cards, as opposed to "Superstar-specific." For example, The Lone Warrior TB's He Can't Be Slowed Down has text referring to Goldberg-specific Actions. This can be handled one of two ways in this tournament: either "Goldberg-specific" means exactly that, and The Lone Warrior will not benefit from that text unless he ends up with Goldberg-specifics in his Arsenal, or "Goldberg-specific" means "specifics with the logo of the superstar you have drawn for that zone", and whichever specifics they are, you may benefit. As in normal Raw Deal, in either case, "Superstar-specific" will apply no matter what. Please select a poll option at the top, and we will codify the rules with that.

Rules Forum / Re: Rabid Attack in the Corner and Superplex
« on: June 25, 2020, 05:55:34 AM »
Oh, I like straightforward questions. Yes, you may.

Rules Forum / Re: Con-Chair-To
« on: June 23, 2020, 12:20:04 PM »
No. Goldberg's permission to pack a Superstar-specific card of his choice with "spear" in the title is not the same as being able to pack Edge-specific cards, even if there is an Edge-specific card that meets the criterion laid out.

Rules Forum / Re: Master of the W-O-R-M
« on: June 18, 2020, 11:30:36 PM »
As worded, the reversal would have to be printed Scotty-specific. If it wanted any reversal, the text would be "Once during each of your turns, when a reversal or printed Scotty 2 Hotty-specific Trademark Finisher is in your Ringside..."

Rules Forum / Re: French Phenom
« on: June 15, 2020, 08:52:28 PM »
Confirming, based on the ruling from here:,15968.msg209873.html#msg209873

Damage and overturn target the actual Arsenal only, and do not interact with French Phenom, but effects that specifically interact with the "top card of your Arsenal" will target the card under French Phenom. This does include things like Road Dogg's ability; however, MRP for Kick reads "When successfully played, overturn 1 card," as DebuRaito rightly points out. This card no longer interacts with French Phenom.

Arn Anderson (57F) wins via countout over John Morrison (34F), after a 3 hour Iron Man match.

Online Play / Re: OCTGN Errors/Updates/Suggestions
« on: June 05, 2020, 05:37:10 PM »
Legendary Assistance does not appear to exist in the deckbuilder.

I'm claiming a spot in the tournament, but I haven't decided who I want to play yet. If I'm sniped to a particular Superstar, so be it.

Edit: OK, I'll run Arn Anderson.

Rules Forum / Re: The Revival
« on: May 28, 2020, 11:00:40 PM »
That is a static effect, sir; feel free to use that one every turn.

Not so much Raw Deal Logic; that's just what the phrase means. Allowing a player to do something, by definition, involves giving them the choice to do it or not. It's intended as a cost you're paying to get Orlando back, not a clock to help kill your opponent. If the effect was mandatory, it would say "When this card is in your Ringside pile, during your turn you may put this card into your Ring area and your opponent draws 3 cards."

General Chat / Re: It's Time.
« on: May 25, 2020, 09:06:40 PM »
Thank you, Daeva, for all you've done for Raw Deal. The privilege has been ours. I can say with some certainty that we would not be here today had you not shepherded the game through its first 12 years of community production, fighting the ruleset into something manageable and understandable. I know that a good half of my understanding of how this game operates comes not from the OmniFAQ and Timing Breakdown, but from reading your explanations of card interactions in the Rules forum, and seeing how each of the pieces comes together to form a coherent whole. We can even forgive you for Vickie. Mostly. ;)

Whatever I can do as Rules Manager will be because I stand upon the shoulders of giants. Which is a terrible idea, by the by; I have absolute garbage balance, and could stand to lose a few pounds to boot. But nonetheless, I'm happy for the opportunity to help keep Raw Deal alive and well, and will do my utmost to ensure that I provide fair, reasonable analysis of the rules, and take swift action if needed to correct anything that comes out of design and playtesting less than fully baked.

Three cheers for one of the main reasons we're all still here! Happy trails.

Rules Forum / Re: Test Questions
« on: May 22, 2020, 10:46:41 PM »
As for the other question:,16626.msg192895.html#msg192895

Doubling effects don't stack. Both cards look at, say, 3 reversals in his Ring, and go "OK, 3x2=6. He has 6 reversals in his Ring."

Rules Forum / Re: Test and Overrated Superstar
« on: May 11, 2020, 11:34:12 AM »
Even when cards happen "together" (like Panics) they still resolve one at a time. This card isn't even one of those; two copies of Overrated are two separate cards activating separately.

If, after the first Overrated Superstar has resolved, Test's opponent still meets the hand size criterion, he may put in another one. Otherwise, he may not.

Online Organized Play / Re: OCTGN Virtual Tournament
« on: April 27, 2020, 05:11:04 PM »
BFM (57F) pins Sid (11F).

Rules Forum / Re: Gut Buster on the top rope
« on: April 26, 2020, 08:51:32 PM »
If the Gut Buster on the Top Rope is not modified by other cards, he may not play Restricted Use at all. If it is modified by other things, Restricted Use could strip away those outside modifications, leaving only the cannot be reversed text on the Buster itself to deal with.

The cannot be reversed text is not an outside restriction; it is printed on the card, and therefore Restricted Use does nothing to that text.

Online Organized Play / Re: OCTGN Virtual Tournament
« on: April 20, 2020, 05:18:50 PM »
BFM (32F) pins Sabu (2F).

Professional Wrestling Discussion / Howard Finkel, 1950-2020
« on: April 16, 2020, 09:18:13 AM »
The voice of my childhood has gone silent. Requiescat in pace, Fink.

Professional Wrestling Discussion / Re: WWE and AEW: SHUT DOWN NOW
« on: April 14, 2020, 01:06:56 PM »
Yeah, I saw that. Maybe it’s me, but I fail to understand how pro wrestling can be “essential”.

Actually I can, but that’ll be bringing up politics, which I absolutely will not do anymore in a public forum like this.

Panem et circenses, QR, that's all I'll say to that.

Online Organized Play / Re: OCTGN Virtual Tournament
« on: April 04, 2020, 12:28:22 PM »
Dilbert - Big Freak'n Machine

General Chat / Re: [Spoilers] Persona 5 Royal
« on: March 31, 2020, 09:06:25 AM »
It arrived within the past hour, but my wife's working in the living room and is on calls all day, so... I'll have thoughts soon. Right now, I'm... aggravated by the delay, but looking forward to it.

Side note: When next you're up our way, give me a shout. I don't use my Vita anymore (bought it for P4G, used it for mostly that, have other stuff now), so I'd be happy to loan it to you if you like.

That... is much worse than the speculation I heard that it would be Braun Strowman.

Of course, given my druthers, I'd have the Usos beat the New Day to get into the Tag Title match against Miz & Morrison, which would free up Kofi Kingston for another Wrestlemania moment. But we all know that's not happening.

Speaking of people not being there...

That's the Smackdown Title match kiboshed. Roman Reigns is off the card at his request, as he is immunocompromised and unwilling to take the risk (and wisely so.) There will apparently be a replacement to feed to Goldberg, and it will probably suck.

Rules Forum / Re: This is MY Hometown!
« on: March 25, 2020, 10:23:57 PM »
...OK, that is a very different question, and one that sounds like I need to check with the back office about the card's original design intent. Hold that thought.

Rules Forum / Re: This is MY Hometown!
« on: March 25, 2020, 08:17:37 PM »
The bolded clause is part of the "when Your Town is in his Ring" effect, but if Your Town is not in his Ring, it doesn't matter. At the point at which you can play This is MY Hometown, you already cannot play a Feud, Stipulation, or Manager. That clause is to prevent you from using the "immediately play a Feud, Stipulation, Manager, or Object" text to put a second Feud/Stip/Manager into your Ring.

(Example: you are The Four Horsemen, and for whatever reason, you're packing Managed by J.J. Dillon and Managed by "The Mouth of the South," Jimmy Hart. Your opponent plays Your Town, you play JJ. If you then play MY Hometown, you cannot then play Jimmy; however, if your opponent had not played Your Town and you'd played JJ, you wouldn't have been able to play Jimmy anyway. It's only the specific permission of MY Hometown that needed that possibility shut off.)

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