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Rules Forum / Re: WCW's Technical Shooter Question
« on: January 12, 2021, 08:32:45 PM »
U mean r the 2 fo play with kitchen sink chain & can be blank? I think so. Wait for dilbert ans

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Virtual Raw Deal / Re: VIRTUAL 11: UNDISPUTED - OFFICIAL RELEASE!
« on: November 30, 2020, 04:13:34 AM »
Hi, honky backstage & mikey got spirit are missing from both doc & pdf files


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Virtual Raw Deal / Re: 2020 Bottom of the Barrel Thread
« on: June 05, 2020, 12:00:12 PM »
One of my builds for Honky gets 13 cards in hand turn 1 after he draws for Greater Intercontinental Champion of All Time, isn't all that hard to boost his hand.
Is not about the starting, is how to maintain it. Most wwf guys lack drawing power, even diesel who has a huge starting hand wll hand his hand reduce drastically within a few turns(exclude 8 wonder & maybe sid, though both depend heavily on how yr opp play) Like i said honky is extremely dependent on how u set him up & flow of the set up. Any disruption will ultimately cost him the match in the end/long run & yes honky always have a painful problem over choice of heel actions & how many of them to pack.

Y u play honky over scott hall? Because his cool, cocky & bad, lols

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Virtual Raw Deal / Re: 2020 Bottom of the Barrel Thread
« on: June 05, 2020, 08:24:03 AM »
I can't see Honky Tonk man being on this list, being able to throw Quick Count Ref over and over at 30 fort is pretty damn good as well as King/outside interference early in the game(3F and 4F with nWo T-Shirt) and Pink Cadillac finding and hiding any 3 cards he wants is pretty good stuff.
Haha honky problem r like most snme guys, hand too small, even with evening up the odds which some people say equals to solving small hand though it's not the case, his hand is still too small for defense in a long run. Honky is those that if everything falls into place u r gd & nd to end the game fast.
If somehow yr set up fails, he is pretty hard to get back on track. From personal experience, after 3 builds with him, I have only managed to quick count ref twice & really those opponents are beginners. The idea is fun but the execution is hard to pull off, on paper u can keep quick count ref til u hit, but veteran opp will keep appropriate amt of action reversals ready, & towards late game, the ace to take heel action is really really very dangerous. Same pt as above veteran opponents will keep ace reversals ready to reverse yr ace at the moment that he with demolish u the nxt turn.
But he is better then lawler since he is not consider a legend.
Honestly his ability is gone facing any face deck packin playing by the rules tb which are the majority of face decks.

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Virtual Raw Deal / Re: 2020 Bottom of the Barrel Thread
« on: June 04, 2020, 11:15:10 PM »
I think yoko just need some support but i love playing him i don`t feel his bottom of the barrel. One that i do think is B.O.B is Money Inc. but they could be fixed with some more support or over haul the super star altogether.
? Money inc? 1st turn superplex deck?
Honestly Money Inc is probably 1 of the strongest out of the snme v4 expansion. Not sure why u considered them the B. O. B. They are honestly kind of OP if u use them correctly, with excellent fort reductions & a very strong pool of support cards that maximise the use of ability & rfg mechanics. But that being said, it's a techy deck & not suitable for beginners.


I will say like always cactus jack nd some serious support.
Lawler too, last support tat makes him legend is actually a down grade. Somehow u squeeze in a falling fist if yr opp didn't pack yr reach. Den nxt turn eat a shoot lock up.
How is tat an upgrade? Able to pack classic moves but no protection on classic moves really does nothing. At least try make falling fist & piledriver playable when packing no escape if u want him to go the classic route.

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Virtual Deck Reviews / Re: Eric Bischoff's Tribute to Howard Finkel
« on: May 25, 2020, 07:16:45 PM »
A couple of judo choke tb & playing possum always helps in a milling deck.

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Virtual Deck Reviews / Re: SGT Slaughter
« on: May 05, 2020, 07:54:30 PM »
Just sharing an idea
Formed a no escape slaughter a long time back after some discussions with DebuRaito during one of our post deck supper session.
Offset the lack of stun & kind of negate drawback from back throw if yr opponent uses his restricted early.

Major flaws of the build is giving up tons of gd tb moves for a really restricted movepool & how to earn the extra 5f for yr tb tmfs after u spammed & hit blatant choke tb.

Wincon: tb tmfs, mania or out stall.

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Rules Forum / Is non tb ECW belt an ECW card?
« on: March 27, 2020, 11:28:40 PM »
Just want to clarify whether non tb ECW consider an ECW card?

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Virtual Deck Reviews / Re: Razor Ramon - BASH
« on: March 15, 2020, 11:22:02 PM »
Why no elbow? Why no 3rd gtfo & dttah? Why the classic knee to the groin? Why 3 anything & hate it? Why 3 me llmao...? Why cavalry over candice when u r trying to bait gtfo & once out? Where is yr mania? No shoot lock up? No clutch apply? This deck is gg against no escape deck, gd luck for reversing 1st turn whirlwind kick if u dun draw 2 revo, yr deck probably only work against another conventional bash deck or some dry dry whack deck which don't really exist in vc.

I've been seeing and hearing a lot of this "why this" and "why that" amidst deck judgments. Challenge him to a game sometime and perhaps you'll find the answers you seek.

Lmao, the whole pt of the deck review section is to provide critical review. If u can't take tat & only want to hear pple compliment & give u fake positive review then dun post yr decks. It is not yrs anyway. I dun mind facing him anytime but time difference will be problem.

I'm gonna say that this is valid actually. Why is it bad when someone is pointing out very obvious strange inclusions and giving better options and getting bashed for it? They're saying that in such a multi-heavy deck, it is indeed a bit strange to suddenly choose a non-multi action for recovery. and to ofc point out that Me Llamo... isn't really a great card to forego for one more copy of GTFO.
👏👏👏, exactly my pt, so basic tat i was lazy to explain myself. Haha most players can tell wad i meant in all the whys😂. If u are new to the game, i apologise but if u have been playin for some time already. There shld be no reason for y u dun get my whys.

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Virtual Deck Reviews / Re: Razor Ramon - BASH
« on: March 15, 2020, 05:25:09 PM »
Why no elbow? Why no 3rd gtfo & dttah? Why the classic knee to the groin? Why 3 anything & hate it? Why 3 me llmao...? Why cavalry over candice when u r trying to bait gtfo & once out? Where is yr mania? No shoot lock up? No clutch apply? This deck is gg against no escape deck, gd luck for reversing 1st turn whirlwind kick if u dun draw 2 revo, yr deck probably only work against another conventional bash deck or some dry dry whack deck which don't really exist in vc.

I've been seeing and hearing a lot of this "why this" and "why that" amidst deck judgments. Challenge him to a game sometime and perhaps you'll find the answers you seek.

Lmao, the whole pt of the deck review section is to provide critical review. If u can't take tat & only want to hear pple compliment & give u fake positive review then dun post yr decks. It is not yrs anyway. I dun mind facing him anytime but time difference will be problem.

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Virtual Deck Reviews / Re: Razor Ramon - BASH
« on: March 09, 2020, 07:37:44 PM »
Why no elbow? Why no 3rd gtfo & dttah? Why the classic knee to the groin? Why 3 anything & hate it? Why 3 me llmao...? Why cavalry over candice when u r trying to bait gtfo & once out? Where is yr mania? No shoot lock up? No clutch apply? This deck is gg against no escape deck, gd luck for reversing 1st turn whirlwind kick if u dun draw 2 revo, yr deck probably only work against another conventional bash deck or some dry dry whack deck which don't really exist in vc.

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Virtual Raw Deal / Re: 2020 Bottom of the Barrel Thread
« on: January 22, 2020, 06:36:31 PM »
Btw, cactus jack will really need some support.
The only viable route of spamming barbed wire baseball bat every turn with Chicago(weak anyway) is no longer viable due to shenanigans(mainly meant for cody's face mask, but screwed other weaker ss).
Oso will hardcore diaries being a close to useless card & mankind having way better support, any other ideas/builds automatically goes to mankind. Cactus jack has been lost in the shuffle for years, new ideas for him shld be consider.

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Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Old School wrestling match tb fixes
« on: January 22, 2020, 04:53:12 PM »
Old School Wrestling Match - Throwback
Pre-match Stipulation
Cannot be packed while packing any other stipulations.
If any player's turn ends after his Draw Segment without attempting to play a maneuver and he does not have the card titled Old School Cage Match in his ring area: Promo: 4.
Turns cannot be skipped and non-Superstar-specific cards cannot prevent an opponent from playing maneuvers.
Each turn, before your draw segment, if you do not have the card titled Back to Basics in your ring your opponent may remove 1 card in your ringside from the game.
When Back to Basics is in your Ring and you are not The Home Team you may shuffle up to 2 non-reversal cards from your ringside into your arsenal each time you successfully play a maneuver and your Pre-Match Capacity is +3. Your opponent cannot play I'm Gonna Break You.
F: 0     D: 0     Unique     Permanent     RMS logo

Lols, tat makes oswm tb kind of ptless to pack, totally agree with scotty. Oswm tb should still retain the ability as a way to  end game, giving opp chance to draw a potential maneuver is pretty lame when u can end him if he ran out of maneuvers to whack. I still standby my pt on not revising oswm tb but rather provide perceived blue wave superstars with some specifics tat helps to reduce the penalty from it instead.

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Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Old School wrestling match tb fixes
« on: January 21, 2020, 07:38:49 PM »
Honestly I think oswm tb is fine by itself. Just kindly come out with cards for yr perceived blue wave superstar with ways/choice to negate the burn while paying some cost. Eg torrie & trish.
Oswm tb is still relevant but extremely limited in terms of how decks r form or games to be played. Anyway it is a double edge sword, most of the time cost u yr match if u r not runnin heat/blindside or have mechanics to search for moves & if yr opponent r runnin hand disruption.

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Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Virtual Holiday: Then, Now, Forever
« on: January 14, 2020, 11:23:08 PM »
Superstar guide is the correct answer. Image will be updated to reflect this come revisions.

Woah den cornette is even lousier den he already is.
Not perm, can flip, can blank & such a big cost to ace when he has no drawing power🤔.
An ability tat contradicts itself for goin chain & nthin to negate oswm tb🤔. Guess going heat stall is probably the only viable way & just concede when yr opponent plays oswm tb👍

Cornette has been testing by various people playing various ways. There are methods to flip cards back over, unblank it and so on. Lots of decks do poorly against OSWM as well, doesn't mean he is a lousy Superstar.

Lols every thing u said i already knew. I did formed him both aggro & stall, the conclusion is still heat stall is the best without much use of louiseville lips. If u have to count on unblankin, flipping & putting louiseville back into yr ring. Honestly it's really a waste of time & personally the cost is too high for a ss with low drawing power & becos u are going chain, discard 2 every turn for chain action search via chain trait is already keepin yr hand tiny. Sure goin technical with bbd tb/ icbrtr can help, but cage match shuts u down.
Worst case is the contracting ability tat allows opp to overturn two when hand is 4-, which means hand deduction strategy which is bread & butter of all chain decks is not gonna work thus oso meaning yr impt actions tat counts may nv hit the ring.


Ok, u guys probably won't care what i say/feedback anyway, so yup. Btw lacey win requirements is kind of unattainable since by default u nd at least 38 turns. & most stall decks dun even go 38 turns. #howmanytimesdiduseentherevised12roundsbeenactivated?

Everyone has draw power with Evening up the Odds. And Corny w/ midnight's could also use Parts unknown, With blank grapples and the high risks from ringside are also blank.

Haha I am runnin evening the odds btw, most matches still lack hands & almost guaranteed loss to mania.

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Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Virtual Holiday: Then, Now, Forever
« on: January 14, 2020, 05:40:12 PM »
Superstar guide is the correct answer. Image will be updated to reflect this come revisions.

Woah den cornette is even lousier den he already is.
Not perm, can flip, can blank & such a big cost to ace when he has no drawing power🤔.
An ability tat contradicts itself for goin chain & nthin to negate oswm tb🤔. Guess going heat stall is probably the only viable way & just concede when yr opponent plays oswm tb👍

Cornette has been testing by various people playing various ways. There are methods to flip cards back over, unblank it and so on. Lots of decks do poorly against OSWM as well, doesn't mean he is a lousy Superstar.

Lols every thing u said i already knew. I did formed him both aggro & stall, the conclusion is still heat stall is the best without much use of louiseville lips. If u have to count on unblankin, flipping & putting louiseville back into yr ring. Honestly it's really a waste of time & personally the cost is too high for a ss with low drawing power & becos u are going chain, discard 2 every turn for chain action search via chain trait is already keepin yr hand tiny. Sure goin technical with bbd tb/ icbrtr can help, but cage match shuts u down.
Worst case is the contracting ability tat allows opp to overturn two when hand is 4-, which means hand deduction strategy which is bread & butter of all chain decks is not gonna work thus oso meaning yr impt actions tat counts may nv hit the ring.


Ok, u guys probably won't care what i say/feedback anyway, so yup. Btw lacey win requirements is kind of unattainable since by default u nd at least 38 turns. & most stall decks dun even go 38 turns. #howmanytimesdiduseentherevised12roundsbeenactivated?

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Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Virtual Holiday: Then, Now, Forever
« on: January 14, 2020, 03:40:46 AM »
Superstar guide is the correct answer. Image will be updated to reflect this come revisions.

Woah den cornette is even lousier den he already is.
Not perm, can flip, can blank & such a big cost to ace when he has no drawing power🤔.
An ability tat contradicts itself for goin chain & nthin to negate oswm tb🤔. Guess going heat stall is probably the only viable way & just concede when yr opponent plays oswm tb👍

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Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Virtual Holiday: Then, Now, Forever
« on: January 10, 2020, 09:23:37 PM »
By the way is louiseville lip permanent? Card print permanent but tco strategy guide is not permanent. Please advice which is correct.

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Virtual Raw Deal / Re: 2020 Bottom of the Barrel Thread
« on: December 30, 2019, 08:46:18 PM »
Actually malenko was decent until the recent erranta on 1000 holds & psychology arm & leg. Probably the worst victim from that shenanigans update. His ability shld allow him to bypass tat restriction. Dab route is still viable, but meh at best. Actually pre errata malenko was always meh at best anyway. Honestly didn't really nd to handicap him for what is suppose to be his bread & butter. Dun understand y emma is on the list cos she really is decent.
I think most of the wwf ss nd some support to counter nxt ss, since most nxt ss have real tmf & way better supports then the old timers. Most of the old timers are made to be formed in 1 to 2 ways only, extremely rigid & their supports are mostly meh when compared to those of the nxt ss.

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Virtual Raw Deal / Re: 2020 Bottom of the Barrel Thread
« on: December 30, 2019, 05:37:47 PM »
I’ll echo what I said in the Virtual 10 thread. I’m nominating The Revival. Also, I’m seconding MNM, just because they don’t have access to backlash reversals, which I think they either needs a bigger boost than what they already have in terms of support, or let them pack the necessary reversals.

Totally agree on the revival, did an in depth analysis on them on my deck review, can't really be bother to explain it pt by pt again, link to thread is below:
http://teamcanadaonline.net///index.php/topic,18876.0.html

Also will there be a erranta on Legion of Doom? The discard 4 reds to reverse a tmf is just dumb. There is totally no reason to form them over road warriors unless u want a challenge, til today I can't find a reason to justify that part of their ability. & b4 I got grilled, I formed both of them multiple times with different builds, so dun go crap on me for not trying 1st.

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Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Virtual Holiday: Then, Now, Forever
« on: December 15, 2019, 06:48:52 PM »
Here's one treat to end your weekend and it's a big one!


Woah midnight express, yeah

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Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Virtual Holiday: Then, Now, Forever
« on: December 14, 2019, 01:13:40 AM »
New enforcer? I smell midnight express & i am excited😏

I can see a WCW Enforcer and a WWF Enforcer. I'm not a WCW guy but in the WWF he managed Vader, Yokozuna, Bulldog and Owen.

Haha i know & probably is along these wwf stars. Haha but still would be awesome is midnight express made it to raw deal cos i dun think the heavenly bodies or big baba rogers(big boss man) will make it to raw deal. Keepin my fingers crossed for midnight, although highly unlikely

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Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Virtual Holiday: Then, Now, Forever
« on: December 13, 2019, 08:28:12 PM »
New enforcer? I smell midnight express & i am excited😏

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Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Virtual 10: Breaking Ground
« on: November 15, 2019, 07:38:41 PM »
I love the passion you have for this game Naitchng.

Unfortunately we’re not going to be making any adjustments to these guys, or any cards unless it’s a typo or image issue. You raise good points about synergy issues with their specifics, however not everything needs to always be picked by everyone. Sure it’s frustrating having a new Superstar come out and seeing that X doesn’t work with Y, but we’re taking some chances in card design and sometimes it may not work out.

Blindsides seems more play in most of my decks more than any other trait currently. That’s including Sleeper Hold, Leg Drag and other self harming effects. Could be the various play areas of the world having different levels of success with their strategies. Not every deck needs to contain Shoot Lock-Up, Pump Kick and German Suplex. Where is the challenge in that? The direction The Revival have doesn’t need to be that.
Buying Myself Some Time combined with Shut up and Wrestle is a 6 card advantage over the opponent (they skip their draw) and it’s fundamentally different than what the typical game of Raw Deal is usually. This isn’t even that out of left field.
Blindside Precision searches for Blindside Elbow Drop which can be played after Ready to Fight with these guys too.
There are plenty of ways to build every Superstar. I have some favourite wrestlers that are in the game that are lacking. I take that as a challenge to take what is available and make them the best version I can of that Superstar in the game.

Will they be getting new cards in the future? For sure they will, as long as it’s needed. It’s hard to know what is needed in for Superstars when we’re going off our judgement and conversations with players here and there. Tournament reports, deck reviews (like that was recently posted for The Revival) and an active community help drive the development team in the right direction for what is needed in the game.

Again, I appreciate the time you took to write all of this up to ensure the Top Guys get the top treatment.


1st of all, I'm all about formin decks will multiple ways. Besides my revival dun have any german tb/shoot lock up/boot laces/pump kick.(tat itself is a stratetgy & r use with certain ss depending on their specifics. Btw even these strategy has its flaws, lack of stun, no killing strategy just to name a few.) I really want to step by step counter whatever u suggested(in a nutshell too freakin optimistic on yr opponent's havin a shitty hand & u being super lucky is gettin all the cards u need.), but I am tired over the revival & done arguing about their apparent weak & contradicting specifics( Ps, i like to form fun/lower tier decks personally , just to clarify, i nv form strong ass top tier decks as it brings no joy when i won with them, usually if i see a ss, their overall specifics/ability are too op, i dun even bother to form them. Besides only weaker decks can give you the sense of achievement & joy in winning (E.g, nth beats the feeling of winning a kevin owens with a nikolai😂. My favourite/my gimmick deck is brutus the barber beefcake, haha won many players tat underestimated the barber & some hidden tech) . Anyway my point is through calculation & probability, the revival with their current cards (intended playstyle) are really unstable & does nth much for them. I form decks by calculations & counting probability of u getting cards into yr hands & how to counter yr own cards. Maybe i put too much thoughts into my deck makin process, but it's always better to think of ways to counter yr own counter.
Actually the basic in formin a deck in vc environment, 1st getting/buildin fort, without that much needed opening fort, getting stream rolled is a given.(go figure out why rated rko becomes a top tier with just the addition of their 0f 5d midmatch maneuver). 2nd is a kill strategy, eg goin reversal restriction dun give u a win con unless u r balor that can pluck sustain dmg & reuse shoot lock up.

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Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Virtual 10: Breaking Ground
« on: November 15, 2019, 07:05:34 PM »
Hey Eric,

I think balance-wise, I would like to discuss a few things:

NXT as a brand mechanic is sort of unfair right now. 31 Superstars currently are considered as NXT, while WCW only has 17. NXT cards are almost quadrupled in exclusive cards closest to WCW which only has 1.

WCW's exclusive card, a pre-match can give them a 3F headstart.

NXT's cards can give you recursion in NXT Arrival, draw power via NXT Breakout Star, free Underrated Superstar via From NXT to WWE, -F on your cards and promo with Full Sail University.

When you are NXT, IT MATTERS. You get a clear advantage over other superstars that aren't. I think an allegiance like a nWo Shirt for NXTmust be printed to ensure some of that exclusivity is shared. nWo has 5 exclusive cards, but nWo Shirt ensures almost anyone can pack it as long as they decide to run the nWo allegiance.

My issue with Revival and to some extent Elias and Andrade is that they're not NXT and lose some of those advantages, I think there might want to be some discussion on this going forward as NXT itself becomes a more prominent brand mechanic in the game.

Of course, this is simply my 2 cents on the matter and I love Raw Deal. I appreciate what you, Creed, Daeva and countless others have done for the game but I hope you see where I'm coming from as well.


I totally agree, nxt ss nd their on drawback cards like phoenix rising/shoot lock up/ruthless aggression tb. They have way too much boost over the rest.

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