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Virtual Raw Deal / Re: The Cutting Room Floor
« on: May 30, 2020, 10:57:55 AM »
I really like the concept, but see the potential problems. Might be fun as a concept for Damien Sandow support as another way to represent that period where he was coming out with a new gimmick/impression every week.

Ah, thanks for the clarification!

Glad to see this article, and glad to see that you're (maybe) bringing the series back, as I enjoy your write-ups.

One question:
From NXT to WWE
Pre-match Event
Can only be packed by an NXT Superstar.  Cannot be blanked.
This card and Underrated Superstar do not take up a Pre-match slot in your Ring.
When you draw for your Ability, draw up to 1 additional card, and when you move cards into your Arsenal for your Ability, move up to 1 additional card.
F: 0     D: 0     Unique     Permanent

This card DOES NOT allow Pete to shuffle in a 4th card from his card for his ability, but it DOES allow Pete to draw an extra card when he shuffles 2+ cards into his arsenal for his ability.

Why is this the case? It seems like his ability is moving cards into his arsenal, and FNtW doesn't seem to suggest any restrictions on how it's checking how the cards are being moved, just that they're moving into the Arsenal. Is it because of the separation of clauses between "choose up to 3" and then the effect of shuffling them into the arsenal?

Professional Wrestling Discussion / Re: WWE's massive talent cuts
« on: April 16, 2020, 06:20:03 AM »
Firings are always tough, but seeing Spud's tweet:

Man, that one got me right in the feels.

Some of these guys will definitely be bound for either AEW, MLW, or Japan, and likely to get much better work out of the deal. Rowan and Rusev both seem like surefire AEW recruits: Rowan will be another big man to add to their relatively diminutive roster (especially with his history with the leader of the Dark Order), while Rusev is another prime example of a wrestler who WWE simply refused to capitalize on even in the face of massive crowd response (how did they let Rusev Day fail?). Gallows and Anderson seem more likely to head back to Japan, though their Bullet Club history means they're probably in good graces with the Elite. I'd love to see Gotch and English reunite in MLW, and though it seems unlikely that they could reform the Vaudevillains, their chemistry could hopefully set them up for either a productive reteaming or feud.

Either way, I truly hope all of these people land on their feet and get the validation that the WWE denied them.

Professional Wrestling Discussion / Re: WWE and AEW: SHUT DOWN NOW
« on: April 15, 2020, 06:22:09 AM »
Yeah, it made me really uneasy watching Wrestlemania and seeing the matches where they clearly had more than 10 people working in close quarters. During the Tag Team ladder match I was actually grateful that due to Miz's faux pax, we ended up only having three competitors in the ring instead of 6. It casts a shadow over these matches that makes it hard to enjoy them regardless of their merits as matches, because I can't stop thinking: How will I feel about this match if one or more of these wrestlers comes down with Coronavirus? Can I in good conscience enjoy this match now knowing that's the risk they're taking?

I understand why they're doing what they're doing, but it's getting to be pretty foolhardy.

I figure AEW has a unique advantage over WWE in one respect here: without a WWE Network style service for their product, they can go farther on airing old PPV matches. I'd certainly tune in for a re-airing of Double-or-Nothing.

It might be interesting to even try airing these matches with new commentary, perhaps even from the competitors. Use it as an opportunity to let wrestlers try to rewrite the history of failed spots ("Well, here's what I was trying to do..."), or to reinforce storylines that came out of those matches. Make that kind of re-airing a combination of giving fans access to a show they might have missed, but also let the wrestlers (from the safety of a remote connection) keep telling their story. I'd love to see Omega vs. Moxley with them on commentary.

I heard, though have not yet confirmed, that the Network is allowing free access to a lot of their content right now to try and keep numbers up during this Coronavirus shutdown, and I thought I'd heard that it would include the upcoming Mania. I'll be investigating when the weekend gets a bit closer, by all means feel free to check for yourselves in the meantime.

But I'm not sure if I'm ready to write it off as worst mania ever just yet. While it will certainly be the most different mania ever, it sounds like with some of the matches (such as Cena vs. Wyatt and AJ vs. Taker), they're going to be more movie/TV style filming techniques that might allow for better matches than would be potential in a live environment. WhatCulture WWE postulated that especially for AJ v. Taker, it could be a real boon because if, for example, Taker is sloppy with a chokeslam, they can simply refilm it rather than having to let a blown spot stand as canon in the match.

Definitely going to be a very different event, but I remain optimistic about it pulling off an entertaining, high quality show, even if it's a magnitude quieter than most.

It'd be kind of neat for there to be a Rock/Paper/Scissors between Brock/Goldberg/Kofi, where after Goldberg has beaten Brock, and Brock has beaten Kofi, now Kofi can come in and beat Brock.

And frankly, Kofi deserves better than the way his title reign ended. The fans will rally behind him if you let them.

Does Gronk have any wrestling training?

I would love for that to be the case, but Vince has been known to call in to remotely direct shows he's not present for. Late last year there was a Smackdown that was loudly announced as a "Vince won't be here" show, leading us all to expect that other staff would have complete control over the show that night. But reports came out day-of the event that Vince immediately started micromanaging the event from afar. WM is his baby and no matter what happens with the WWE and the XFL, I do not see him letting go of that show until he absolutely must.

I also agree that it would make sense to make the weekend (and bookcasing Friday and Monday) a supershow. It would help make the whole thing one ongoing narrative, would help cut back on all of the times when Takeover has overshadowed main roster matches, would let him bolster attendance at the less attended events by promising that the other brands would be represented, and make it easier to not have an 8 hour WM on Sunday.

Virtual Deck Reviews / Re: my first draft on Lacey Evans
« on: March 24, 2020, 10:22:52 AM »
Just to be clear: On its own Apply Illegal Leverage does not have a reversal restriction, it copies the text of the submission played before it. So if the prior submission had a reversal restriction in its text, AIL gains that restriction.

The go to combination in that regard is Clutch Onto Opponent. Please note that Modified Clutch Onto Opponent specifically says in its own text that you cannot play AIL after it. So, in your current list, you don't really have anything you could play it after. And since AIL is a Heel card, you'd have to completely rework the list to include AIL (getting rid of all of your Face cards since AIL is heel), but if you DID do that, when played after a maneuver with "diva", "woman", or "female" in the title, AIL would have those words in its text until the end of the turn, allowing it to potentially interact with Act Like a Lady.

And also, I don't want to make any assumptions, but hopefully you're aware that when you play Everyone Wants to Watch Women Wrestle with Act Like a Lady in your ring, you get to ignore "male" and "female" in its text, meaning it essentially reads:

Can only be packed by a Superstar.
When your opponent is a Superstar, search his Arsenal for 3 non-unique Maneuver cards, remove them from the game, and he shuffles his Arsenal.
When your opponent is a Superstar, this card is -1F, discard this card and your opponent discards 1 card.

Meaning you get both options against any opponent who has the word "Superstar" on their Superstar card, so substantially more useful in Lacey than other decks.

I believe that was confirmed on social media. And Gronk will be hosting both nights. Probably going to be a big weekend for Mojo! (lol)

Virtual Deck Reviews / Re: My Drew McIntyre deck...need advise
« on: March 18, 2020, 07:14:36 AM »
I know that the common wisdom is that "can not be reversed" is almost easier to reverse than a standard maneuver, but did you consider packing any of the Rakes? Seeing as they're all 1D hybrids, they seem like a good fit for Drew, especially when his ability gives you some room to fish for a new maneuver to follow-up if you're missing the right one after playing the Rake.

Virtual Deck Reviews / Re: Razor Ramon - BASH
« on: March 16, 2020, 06:55:07 AM »
Yeah, the only issue I see here is both sides not really explaining some of their criticisms/decisions proactively.

No slight to Hogtrail (whom I have a good opinion of as a deckbuilder), but when we get a deck list that doesn't really spell out some of these decisions beyond a quick sentence below the list, the reader will naturally question deviations from more obvious meta choices.  It's always been my problem with the deck forum (and I'm sure I've been guilty of it in the past): When you just post a list, it doesn't invite a lot of conversation about what you may be trying to do with the deck, so much as what other people would do with the deck. While that is certainly still valuable input (challenging your plan, making you think critically about choices), it isn't necessarily conducive to starting a productive conversation.

I guess my point here is that when people post a deck list (assuming they're posting their own list, and not just posting a tournament winning deck that someone else ran), it'd be nice to see it come with more discussion, even of seemingly obvious points. It makes the list more accessible to people who lack the context to simply look at the list of cards and immediately recognize what the deck is aiming for. This in turn is helpful both for encouraging productive criticism/discussion of the tactics/list, as well as giving newer and less informed players some grounding from which to both appreciate the list for what it is, and for what it might lend to other similar decks.

Virtual Raw Deal / Re: The Voice Of The Voiceless ?
« on: February 01, 2020, 08:15:50 AM »
You can’t play reversals like Strangle Hold and Backlash to Punk’s shoot maneuvers while TVoTV is in his ring.

The Voice of the Voiceless applies a restriction on the opposing player, not on the actual reversal card or the shoot maneuver itself.

IF what TVotV said was “Your shoot maneuvers gain the text ‘Cannot be reversed by non-Superstar-Specific 3D+ reversals.’” that would be an attempt to modify the maneuvers, and RMS would apply. But the focus of the relevant effect of TVotV specifically references and limits your opponent.

Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Virtual Holiday: Then, Now, Forever
« on: December 26, 2019, 06:53:25 AM »
So, for clarification: are Superstars with a modifier (such as GM Superstars, Chairman Superstars, and Tag Team Superstars) considered "Superstars" for cards like EWWWW?

Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Virtual Holiday: Then, Now, Forever
« on: December 23, 2019, 11:31:18 AM »
Thanks for the clarification. I love that Study the Tapes got a throwback. There was a time when it and Superior Training were in every deck I built.

Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Virtual Holiday: Then, Now, Forever
« on: December 23, 2019, 09:56:41 AM »
This is the last spoiler we'll be sharing before the set releases. Hopefully you'll be able to print and play everything online by the end of the 24th.

Study the Tapes (TB)
At the end of the Pre-match phase Promo:4 and remove the cards not chosen from the game.
When this card is in your Ring, your opponent's Superstar Specific non-Trademark Finisher hybrid reversals do no more than 5D.

I'm not clear on what reversals are having their damage limited. Hybrids played as a reversal are only a reversal, not a Trademark Finisher, so we're not talking about cards that are printed as hybrid with both types of TMF and Reversal. That would seem to indicate that we're talking about Superstar Specific cards that are hybrid reversals played against non-Trademark Finisher cards. So, for example, if Chris Jericho played his Springboard Drop Kick against his opponent's Roll out of the Ring, it's capped at 5D.

Is that right?

Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Virtual Holiday: Then, Now, Forever
« on: December 19, 2019, 08:54:29 AM »

Love the theme as well. Forever, hopefully, will be a Hulk Hogan or Ric Flair remake maybe?

Come on Jushin Liger! lol

Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Virtual Holiday: Then, Now, Forever
« on: December 13, 2019, 04:11:17 PM »
Are we going to get a "Sami Callahan, Joey Ryan, or... Luchasaurus?" Enforcer?


Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Virtual 10: Breaking Ground
« on: November 03, 2019, 05:22:12 AM »
I think it's fair to assume that the design team realized that the Revival would be boosted by NXT support AND that they weren't receiving that set of cards. I think it's also fair to assume that design believed them to be well balanced without those cards, even if those cards would have helped them.

Classic Raw Deal / Re: Two Feuds
« on: October 23, 2019, 06:34:23 AM »
Yeah you could play 6 Diff Feuds w/ him as he doesn't get them as Pre-Match as he can't play Face up cards so you play up to 6 diff feuds face down and also on the flipping part when you get to Flip them Face Up their Text goes off correct like you get to Flip a Card over and for example it's Trash Talkin' Interview the Feud where you get to look at you opponents hand and make him shuffle that card in and then yours as any pre-match text goes off when play Correct.

I think you're misremembering how he works. Here's his superstar text:

The Second Coming
Starting Hand Size: 7     Superstar Value: 5
Legend Superstar Ability: You cannot flip cards face-up.  Once during each of your turns, you may play 1 face-down card as if from hand or Backlash.   
Your Feud cards are now Active Events and can be played during the Feud phase.
You may pack Unique Chris Jericho Arsenal and Mid-Match cards and I'm Better Than You.  You cannot pack Corners, Managers, Run-ins, First Of All, or Back to Basics.

He CAN play cards face-up, he cannot flip them face-up if they've been turned face-down (such as with Turning Everything Upside Down). So in the prematch, you can play feuds as following the rules for Active Events, face-up as per normal (meaning they are played as Prematch Events, take up pre-match slots as normal, they follow the rules for the Active keyword), and leave them face-up. In fact, as Active cards, you are not allowed to flip his feuds face-down (because you cannot flip Active cards face-down).

While his ability allows you to play face-down cards, I do not believe that you could play a face-down Pre-Match card with his ability because the "as if from hand or Backlash" indicates that the card you're playing has to be a legal play. Using your ability during your turn is not the pre-match phase, when it would be legal to play a pre-match card. (Ruling seems to be confirmed here:,15787.msg184748.html#msg184748).

Again, this is irrelevant for The Second Coming's feud cards, because, again, the Active keyword that they gain from his ability makes it illegal to turn them face-down.

While there are plenty of other examples, I'll use Breaking Ground as my focus:

Breaking Ground
Reversal: Special
Effects cannot prevent you from moving this card.
When your opponent successfully plays a 10D+ maneuver, or has 10+ greater Fortitude and he successfully plays a maneuver, you may put this card into your Ring from your Hand or Ringside. If you do, after damage is applied from that card, end his turn.
F: 0     D: 2     Unique     Permanent

If my opponent plays a maneuver that through whatever shenanigans cannot be responded to, may I still put Breaking Ground into my ring?

Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Virtual 10: Breaking Ground
« on: October 04, 2019, 08:11:04 AM »
We're slowly wrapping up everything for the set to release tomorrow. Here's the last spoiler until the full release.
Each Superstar will have an alternate art card at the tail end of the set. These are my 3 favourites.

Wow, those are gorgeous. I'm all about seeing more of these as Raw Deal proceeds.

Thank you for a phenomenal release, Eric and Design Team!

I would like to remind the reader that if you remove your Face/Heel card from the game, any lingering effects those cards have are taken away.[\quote]

Does that include the "discard your hand" effect of Deluding Yourself? I had no idea about RFG as a way to avoid those kinds of effects. (Makes me consider different uses for Backed By/Managed by Paul Heyman.)

Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Virtual 10: Breaking Ground
« on: September 30, 2019, 09:48:44 AM »
A couple of things I noticed on Ronda's cards (which may already be on your radar):

1) You made mention of Shoot Kicker Hold in conjunction with Multiple Combat Sport Champion. Does the RMS trait on SKH make any difference in terms of packing? I assume that when played, it would still be a Multi given that RMS would be in effect once the game has started. Kind of a silly question, but thought it might be good to air it before someone says "You can't remove the 'cannot be packed' text because of RMS".

2) On I Don't Give a Damn About My Reputation, the damage boost effect specifies "next maneuver this turn", but the Fortitude reduction effect (and its reversal restriction) only says "next maneuver", not limiting it to the same turn as IDGDAMR. Just wanted to double check whether this was intended to let you stack the effect for a next maneuver that happened to come on a subsequent turn, or if it was intended to only function if the next maneuver is played the same turn.

3) Just a little formatting thing that I'm sure you would have caught, but Rousey's Flurry of Punches reads "...discard 2 to to put this card back in hand..."

Both Ronda and Nia are looking great. Very excited for V10!

Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Virtual 10: Breaking Ground
« on: September 29, 2019, 09:25:51 AM »

2. He literally outclasses so many superstars before him with similar abilities. The most similar superstars I can think of that Gargano clearly outclass are The Showstopper and Gene Snitsky. Snitsky is literally outclassed in every way by Gargano - his ability is literally written in Gargano's current ability. As for Showstopper, he gets everything Showstopper can do, maybe a little less versatile BUT is also an NXT superstar and does not have the Legend drawback for Shoot Lock-Up so people that want to catch up might be completely out of luck here.

3. He gets tons of versatile recovery options that are versatile yet doesn't suffer drawback from his ability.

Starting Hand Size: 8     Superstar Value: 3
NXT Superstar Ability: Your cards with 'technical' in the title are not Set-ups. Once during your turn, you may discard 1 card and choose Chain, Heat or Volley: 4. Your maneuvers with 'technical' in the title are considered to have that trait until the start of your next turn. Do not remove Heat cards from the game for your Superstar-specific card effects.

Gene Snitsky
Starting Hand Size: 7     Superstar Value: 1
Superstar Ability: Your Heat cards are not removed from the game when you move a card from your Ringside pile.

Johnny only protects his Heat against Superstar Specific recursion effects, not against all recursion. Once he's activated his ability, which he can only do once a turn, and which comes at a cost, he can no longer avoid the Heat trait for any non-Superstar Specific effects. Snitsky pays no cost for his protection and it applies to non-Superstar Superstar specific effects, and since snitsky is not relying on his ability to give out the Heat trait, Snitsky's ability also allows Heat protection for out-of-turn recursion.

The Showstopper
Starting Hand Size: 8     Superstar Value: 6
Legend Superstar Ability:  Search your Arsenal for The Legend Lives On, put it into your Ring, and shuffle; that card is Permanent and cannot be blanked.
Your Heat cards are not removed from Ringside when you move cards from your Ringside with Superstar-specific cards.
You can pack non-Storyline non-Virtual Unique Shawn Michaels cards with no other logos.  You cannot pack Corners, Managers, Run-ins, Pre-match D: 1+ cards, Foreign Object maneuvers, or A Quick BASH-ing.

The Showstopper has the same level of protection as Gargano, but he also has Legend support, which is not insignificant. He is also paying no cost to hand out the Heat trait.

Both Snitsky and Showstopper also benefit from focus on Heat in areas such as maintaining Heat cards in their ringside during off turns, allowing use of Heat reversals. Gargano will actually have to pack printed Heat cards to have the same versatility as either Snitsky or Showstopper. Gargano is using a different maneuver base from either of the other Superstar, as his ability will only give the Heat trait to technical maneuvers (and dynamic if you play Rebel Heart, admittedly no reason not to do so).

In context, I disagree that either is fundamentally "outclassed" by Gargano. As I and others have already observed: Gargano has the strength of versatility, but Superstars like Snitsky and Showstopper have the strength of focus.

There are lots of different things you can do with Gargano, but try to do them all at your own peril.

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