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BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Finally, WWE GETS THESE HANDS! (again; NGL, I picked Braun because he's won one of these before.) Honestly, after coming in second something like 4 or 5 times out of 13 of these, I was despairing of ever pulling it off, but that was a hell of a lot of fun. I eagerly await my opportunity to defend the crown next year!

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I knew I was going to be in the first two. I was afraid it'd be Braun, but I knew it was happening somehow. At least it's just Rowan.

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Rules Forum / Re: Molly Holly
« on: January 23, 2020, 11:23:06 AM »
Any time Molly would choose a specific number of cards, she chooses double that number of random cards, so if she activates Where the Big Boys Play, she chooses 4 random cards, without knowledge of card type, and those cards cannot be played in response to her next maneuver that turn.

Pluck 4 reversals? Result!

Pluck 4 maneuvers? Oof.

Note that this holds true for any effect that looks for a specific number of cards: this works this way because WtBBP is looking for 2 reversals. If it was looking for any number of reversals, or any specific type of card, (Like Cheaters Never Win, for example) the only valid number you can look for is 0, which gets doubled to 0.

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Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Old School wrestling match tb fixes
« on: January 21, 2020, 12:37:29 PM »
A worthy topic for discussion, but not appropriate for the Rules forum, so let's continue this over here.

That said, my immediate inclination is to cut the overturn to 3. Anything lower than that and the card's a coaster. If we want to be a bit more adventurous, I'd advocate for "reveal the top 4 cards of your Arsenal, put three of them into your Ringside, and shuffle your Arsenal." That way, if there's something critical on top, it stays in your deck, but goes to a random location as a cost.

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Braun Strowman (5)
Ring General (3)
Damn! (2)
Reroll Counter (1)

Erick Rowan (2)

Team Player (2)

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Rules Forum / Re: Question about ambrose's extreme combat skills
« on: January 18, 2020, 04:26:34 PM »
When a card tells you to put it into a location, you are not required to have the necessary Fortitude to do so. You only need Fortitude if you are playing the card normally.

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Rules Forum / Re: Scorpion Deathlock
« on: January 15, 2020, 07:15:02 PM »
AFAICT, Debu's correct on all counts. It's intended to reverse any Maintainable TMF or any Submission, but there's a missing comma. I'll bring that to Eric's attention if he doesn't see this thread, and we'll see what can be done about it in the revision process.

On an unrelated note, this is a rules question, so I'm going to yeet this over to the Rules forum if I can figure out how.

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Welcome (back) to Raw Deal / Re: Crowdsourcing Virtual Starter Decks
« on: January 09, 2020, 08:37:00 AM »
I believe these should be Virtual exclusive to save a player from having to find existing cards to add into the deck.

I have one qualm, with this specific portion of the suggestion. I get the desire to keep it print and play, but there are some very necessary cards that simply do not have a Virtual equivalent (thinking here primarily of Elbow to the Face, but there are others.) I would want to find a way to ensure that, at least for the relatively common staple Classic cards like this one, that we have a way to supply new players with them. I'm not sure I have a great solution as to how to do that, short of incorporating them into a VSS release as throwbacks much the same way we've done with previous staples, but I feel like the reversal base, in particular, would suffer without access to the wider pool.

Keith, at an extremely quick glance, I like the work and thought you've put in here. There's a nice balance with the decks, a bit of room for customization (since not every superstar will fill every slot missing from the deck framework exactly, there will be some opportunities for the novice deckbuilder to make adjustments), and the seven deck frameworks are all well focused. They do include some cards that might be a bit trickier to get access to if you're new to the game and don't live near a lot of players with a larger collection (thinking mostly of rares without virtual throwbacks here), but all in all, it's a great way to start people off.

As for who to build, you want relatively simple superstars who might intrigue long-time wrestling fans, so how about a rematch from Summerslam '92? Bret Hart and the British Bulldog.

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Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Virtual Holiday: Then, Now, Forever
« on: December 27, 2019, 10:14:55 AM »
That's correct. Lacey gets to do everything on the card against anyone who is a Superstar.

Can I disagree?  Let me explain.


LACEY EVANS
Starting Hand Size: 5     Superstar Value: 1
Superstar Ability: You may pack cards as if you are a Diva, but you do not count as a Diva. Your cards with 'diva', 'woman' or 'female' in the text or title are considered to have 'lady' in the title. During each of your turns, you may overturn 2 cards to put 1 card with 'lady' in the title removed from the game into your hand.


Everyone Wants to Watch Women Wrestle
Action
Can only be packed by a Female Superstar.
When your opponent is a Male Superstar, search his Arsenal for 3 non-unique Maneuver cards, remove them from the game, and he shuffles his Arsenal.
When your opponent is a Female Superstar, this card is -1F, discard this card and your opponent discards 1 card.
Raw logo
F: 1      D: 0

Everyone Wants to Watch Women, Period
Action
Can only be packed by a Female Superstar.
When your opponent is a Male Superstar, he discards 3 cards.
When your opponent is a Female Superstar, this card is -1F, discard this card and draw 1 card.
SmackDown! logo
F: 1      D: 0


I don't want to be pedantic (ok, I do; I like to), however, my understanding is that "woman" and "women" are not the same word.
If it was intended to interact that way, an emergency errata may be needed.

You may disagree, but you're wrong. Or, rather, you're missing something very important.

LACEY EVANS
Starting Hand Size: 5     Superstar Value: 1
Superstar Ability: You may pack cards as if you are a Diva, but you do not count as a Diva. Your cards with 'diva', 'woman' or 'female' in the text or title are considered to have 'lady' in the title. During each of your turns, you may overturn 2 cards to put 1 card with 'lady' in the title removed from the game into your hand.

These cards don't gain 'lady' because of their title; they both have the word 'female' in the text.

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Rules Forum / Re: Have a rules question
« on: December 27, 2019, 06:48:43 AM »
Scotty is stamped for correctitude.

In order for Seth to pack A Dynasty's Destiny, he'd need specific permission from one of his cards to do so. None of them provide that.

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Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Virtual Holiday: Then, Now, Forever
« on: December 26, 2019, 06:05:45 PM »
Yes. Finn’s ability is a replacement effect, and if he wants to, he can put the cards not chosen under his face card instead.

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Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Virtual Holiday: Then, Now, Forever
« on: December 26, 2019, 01:09:12 PM »
That's correct. Lacey gets to do everything on the card against anyone who is a Superstar.

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Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Virtual Holiday: Then, Now, Forever
« on: December 26, 2019, 07:36:47 AM »
Yes. Any deck whose ability is a ____ Superstar Ability is a Superstar. All the ones you mentioned, as well as Diva Superstars, Cruiserweight Superstars, Rookie Superstars, Legend Superstars, Throwback Superstars, and Stable Superstars, would be impacted by this card. Extremists are the primary exception, as their cards are printed with an Extremist Ability instead. The other exceptions I can identify at the moment are Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, who has a Movie Star Ability, and The Sexy Beast, who has a Huge Rock Star Ability. Note that these cards similarly cannot be affected by things like White Wedding, as they do not have a Superstar Ability to switch.

For the same reason, are these extremist, movie star, huge rock star considered superstar of their respective gender for the "watch" cards played by other non-lacey decks (e.g. trish, torrie etc)?

They are considered of that gender, but again, unless their card says ____ Superstar Ability, they are not Superstars. The Sexy Beast is a Male Huge Rock Star; Chris Jericho is a Male Superstar. If Trish Stratus plays a Watch card against The Sexy Beast, the card would do nothing, as he is Male, but not a Superstar. (You may want to do this, if you have a card that can only be played after a successfully played action, for example; in this case, if not reversed, none of the criteria on the card would be met, it would resolve to the Ring, and you would then be free to play your next card.)

(Side note for superstars and gender, from the Omni-FAQ: superstars are considered male if at least one wrestler depicted on the card is male, such as with Right to Censor or the Hart Dynasty. A superstar is considered female if all wrestlers depicted on the card are female, for example Lay-Cool or Gail Kim & Molly Holly.)

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Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Virtual Holiday: Then, Now, Forever
« on: December 26, 2019, 07:09:21 AM »
Yes. Any deck whose ability is a ____ Superstar Ability is a Superstar. All the ones you mentioned, as well as Diva Superstars, Cruiserweight Superstars, Rookie Superstars, Legend Superstars, Throwback Superstars, and Stable Superstars, would be impacted by this card. Extremists are the primary exception, as their cards are printed with an Extremist Ability instead. The other exceptions I can identify at the moment are Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, who has a Movie Star Ability, and The Sexy Beast, who has a Huge Rock Star Ability. Note that these cards similarly cannot be affected by things like White Wedding, as they do not have a Superstar Ability to switch.

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Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Virtual Holiday: Then, Now, Forever
« on: December 25, 2019, 07:11:22 PM »
Hey, everyone. I stayed out of this discussion temporarily while I was double checking my interpretation, but I wanted to issue a clarification here. Eric's misinterpreted how the "Watch Women" cards interact with Lacey's ability and Act Like a Lady.

To pull in the relevant card text:


LACEY EVANS
Starting Hand Size: 5     Superstar Value: 1
Superstar Ability: You may pack cards as if you are a Diva, but you do not count as a Diva. Your cards with 'diva', 'woman' or 'female' in the text or title are considered to have 'lady' in the title. During each of your turns, you may overturn 2 cards to put 1 card with 'lady' in the title removed from the game into your hand.

Act Like a Lady
Pre-match Event
Cannot be blanked. Ignore 'male' and 'female' in the text of your non-Multi cards with 'lady' in the title. Your unsuccessfully played cards with 'lady' in title are removed from the game.
ACE: Once during each of your turns, you may put 1 non-Mid-match card with 'lady' in the title from your Ring under your Superstar card and then draw 1 card. Your maneuvers with 'lady' in the title are +1D for every card under your Superstar card.
F: 0     D: 0     Unique     Permanent     

Everyone Wants to Watch Women Wrestle
Action
Can only be packed by a Female Superstar.
When your opponent is a Male Superstar, search his Arsenal for 3 non-unique Maneuver cards, remove them from the game, and he shuffles his Arsenal.
When your opponent is a Female Superstar, this card is -1F, discard this card and your opponent discards 1 card.
Raw logo
F: 1      D: 0

Everyone Wants to Watch Women, Period
Action
Can only be packed by a Female Superstar.
When your opponent is a Male Superstar, he discards 3 cards.
When your opponent is a Female Superstar, this card is -1F, discard this card and draw 1 card.
SmackDown! logo
F: 1      D: 0

Now, the Watch cards (I'll call them that for simplicity's sake) are made into 'lady' cards by Lacey's ability. At this juncture, Act Like a Lady takes effect, and the words "male" and "female" are ignored.

What you have now is the following:

Everyone Wants to Watch Women Wrestle, Lady
Action
Can only be packed by a Female Superstar.
When your opponent is a Male Superstar, search his Arsenal for 3 non-unique Maneuver cards, remove them from the game, and he shuffles his Arsenal.
When your opponent is a Female Superstar, this card is -1F, discard this card and your opponent discards 1 card.
Raw logo
F: 1      D: 0

Lady, Everyone Wants to Watch Women, Period
Action
Can only be packed by a Female Superstar.
When your opponent is a Male Superstar, he discards 3 cards.
When your opponent is a Female Superstar, this card is -1F, discard this card and draw 1 card.
SmackDown! logo
F: 1      D: 0

Leaving aside the edge case where Lacey's opponent is not a Superstar (i.e. Extremists), all of the criteria on the card are met. The card calculates Fortitude costs in step 2A, and the cost is reduced by 1 (leaving aside, for the moment, any outside effects that might further impact the card.) The fact that the Fortitude reduction appears in the third paragraph of the text box is irrelevant; Fortitude reduction is typically placed first for ease of reading, but that is a convention, not a requirement of the rules.

At this point, when the card is successful, it looks to see if the opponent is a Superstar. This is normally the case, and each effect triggers in turn. So, for Watch Women Wrestle, once the card is successful, Lacey will search for 3 non-unique maneuvers and remove them from the game, the Arsenal is shuffled, Lacey will discard EWWWWW, and the opponent will discard 1 card. For Watch Women Period, Lacey's opponent will discard 3 cards, Lacey will discard EWWWWP, and Lacey will then draw 1 card.

There is no choosing of effects; there is only a check to see if the opponent is a Superstar or not. If they are, all effects will trigger in turn; if they are not, the card does nothing. Little She Devil is not an appropriate precedent, because that card's modular nature is indicated by the word or in its rules text. The Watch cards do not have or listed, nor is there a "choose one" anywhere on the card. You simply do everything.

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Rules Forum / Re: New rules moderator
« on: December 17, 2019, 05:05:39 PM »
Thank you! I'll try not to let the power go to my head, and promise to only occasionally issue rulings that directly benefit me. ;D

No, seriously, I'm happy to help in any way I can.

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Fantasy Cards / Re: Reverend D-Von
« on: December 10, 2019, 12:16:03 PM »
I love it but can you ignore text of a card that has RMS?

You cannot. I don't know if this passes rules muster, but I'd write it something like "When your opponent has Old School Wrestling Match in his ring, and a turn would be skipped, instead end that turn before the Draw Segment."

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Rules Forum / Re: the manbeast of nxt
« on: December 03, 2019, 01:15:05 PM »
No, they are only considered F:0 for Rhyno-specific cards and effects. They remain F:1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 for the purpose of playing them. In order for them to receive a discount when played, the text would be "Your F:5- maneuvers... are F:0 and Foreign Objects" or "are F:0 and considered Foreign Objects for your other Rhyno-specific cards and effects."

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Rules Forum / Re: RFG cards public knowledge? Or semi public?
« on: November 28, 2019, 11:22:36 AM »
To add, the only areas that are NOT public knowledge are your Arsenal, your Backlash, and your hand.  The Ring, Ringside, Backstage Area, and cards removed from the game are all public.  (I think that's all of them!)

CREED

Aside from corner cases for specific superstars, like Rick Rude’s Allegiance deck and R Truth’s Little Jimmy deck, and zones created by cards, like That’s Broken, I think you’re right.

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Rules Forum / Re: Managed by Jimmy vs multi?
« on: November 28, 2019, 10:04:10 AM »
ACE'ing Jimmy from your ring will already Completely reverse a multi.

True, but if your opponent ignores completely, as some do, Jimmy can be activated twice.

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Rules Forum / Re: GM ability clarification
« on: November 28, 2019, 08:22:21 AM »
Correct.

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Rules Forum / Re: Maneuvers/cards from ringside Aces?
« on: November 28, 2019, 08:22:03 AM »
Effects from zones that are not the Ring cannot, by definition, be ACEs, even effects like the Brothers of Destruction card whose name I can’t remember (Hellraisers to the End, maybe?) that move from the Ring to other zones, can be triggered from either zone, and are ACEs in the Ring. They cannot be reversed from other zones with ACE reversals.

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Rules Forum / Re: Managed by Jimmy vs multi?
« on: November 28, 2019, 08:19:51 AM »
Yes, you may, provided Jimmy is otherwise a valid reversal.

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Rules Forum / Re: RFG cards public knowledge? Or semi public?
« on: November 28, 2019, 08:19:11 AM »
You assume incorrectly. RFG is public knowledge.

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Rules Forum / Re: Question about Allegiances
« on: November 23, 2019, 03:27:32 PM »
That seems weird since shakedown is part of the wwe.

It's no weirder than being able to play Hair Pull on Steve Austin. The Allegiance Phase works exactly the same way as the Venue, Feud, Stipulation, and Manager phases, in that you may only play one card with that subtype during that phase. At this point, the only two exceptions are Rick Rude, as mentioned, and NWO T-Shirt, which explicitly states on the card how it can replace another allegiance mid-game.

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