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Rules Forum / Re: Intensity of ten cities and no more shenanigans
« on: September 01, 2019, 07:07:35 AM »
The answer to the original question is - maybe.

Assuming the opponent is willing to overturn the 1 card, what NMS does is prevent I10C from going to the bottom of the Arsenal as the activation cost and instead removes it from the game.  But the activation is still pending, so whether or not The Home Team gets to shuffle 10 in that situation depends on whether the opponent reverses the Activated Card Effect.  If they do not, then you shuffle 10, but if they do, then you don't. 

Virtual Deck Reviews / Re: Looking for Virtual Decklists
« on: August 28, 2019, 01:03:51 PM »
Out of curiosity, what New Deal deck on YouTube do you mean?

One of the videos is here.  However, this is rated NSFW for the savage savage beating that was laid upon poor Los Cheese.

This is a great time for this conversation, as everything about how we determine the World Championships is under review the next couple of weeks so we can decide what's going on moving forward.  More opinions are always welcome.

The one thing I'll add to the discussion right now is that at Gencon, we had events that sold out and/or were well-attended.  The cubes did well and the intros did well, and what that tells me is that there's still interest in Raw Deal as a game even if the barrier of acquiring cards keeps people from coming out to full events.  There's plenty we need to review, fix, and change before we can reach better tournament numbers, and that's part of the discussion about Worlds, Gencon, and tournament attendance in general.  But there is still interest in this game, and usually all it takes is people playing it once or twice before they start asking "Hey, how do I get into this?"

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Classic Raw Deal / Re: Best and worst world champion cards
« on: July 17, 2019, 05:54:07 AM »
Far as I know, Canu was before they did the cards for World Champs.  Pretty sure he was on First of All as kind of a consolation "here's your card," but I can't confirm that.

I don't know what Chad made, but Polverino #2 is Desperate Struggle.

If you're asking about the state of the game now, Allentown and My New Gimmick are in a category all their own when it comes to unplayable/bad.  My New Gimmick doesn't do enough to justify the pack and Allentown is an All Axxess card in a world where AA has been devalued.  For those that slag Don't Be "That" Guy, it got MUCH better after the revision. 

On the other side, D-Bag is the only true must pack, so by default is your winner.  But you can make a case for at least three or four others.

Some of them deserve special mention for being bombs in an era.  Example: Road to Victory changed EVERYTHING upon release, but over time its impact was less and less an issue since people trained themselves to build around it.

General Chat / Re: Level 37 Achieved!
« on: July 09, 2019, 01:30:06 PM »
Happy +1 day!

Rules Forum / Re: A really stupid Sandman question
« on: June 10, 2019, 03:15:06 PM »
Sandman's Singapore Stash
Backstage Card
Can only be packed by Sandman.
Twice during each of your turns, you may discard 1 card and then play 1 card from your hand face-down; while played, it is considered to have the same card type, text, title and Damage as a maneuver in your Backstage Area.
Your face-down cards are considered to be titled Struck by a Kendo Stick instead and are Foreign Objects.
Unique     RMS logo     ECW logo

If you pack the non-throwback Kendo in your backstage is the stun value copied also or no?

No, it does not have the Stun. 

Classic Raw Deal / Re: Emma?! Help?
« on: June 10, 2019, 07:33:44 AM »
I mean - the question is kind of broad - with what you outlined below, you're currently using 5 x Packed Pre-Match cards and 3 x slots (including #Emmalution); are you packing Emmas Dance Moves as a Pre or Mid?  And are you playing it in the pre?  EDIT: Also, if you're running out of Pre-Match, are you running out of pack slots or play slots?

I playtested a fair amount of Emma, so I can definitely try to help, but I'm not seeing the overall plan here.  Is it just hand advantage city?

Virtual Deck Reviews / Re: 8th Wonder of the World / Back to Basics
« on: June 10, 2019, 07:24:11 AM »
8th Wonder, despite losing Giant Eiffel Tower, is a pretty good B2B deck in theory since he can protect his hand more easily from hand nukes.

Some initial tips I can offer:

1) You NEED 3 x Manager Interferes.  Like, must have, no question.
2) You NEED at least 2 x Don't Try This At Home.  Again, no question, as there's too many ACE's that devastate you in the world to go without protection.
3) Have you considered the backstage card Legendary Defense?  As a legend, you get the ability to pack that, and it gives you back 6 spots to put other cards into the deck.
4) Your Backlash deck is short cards - in the Virtual era, the Backlash deck may contain 12 Pre-Match cards and 12 Mid-Match cards, and you may play 6 of each.  Your current outline only has 10 Pre Match and 10 Mid-Match.  My suggestions for you to look at with regards to the two extra cards:
 -Pre-Match: A Foundation of Old School Wrestling and Old School Beating #3
 -Mid-Match: Restricted Use In This Area and Old School Raw.
5) I would also seriously consider replacing Save Da Drama... for Turning Everything Upside Down or You're As Graceful As A Cow On Ice.  With the reversals you have access to in the deck, it'll be rare that you are hit with two high risks in the same turn (unless of course Eddie is involved).  However, either of the two cards mentioned not only stop the second High Risk but also can stop waves of actions.

Beyond that, it's a matter of practice and seeing what cards work in your local scene.  You may find Hold the Phone useful - maybe you need a Lift a Boot in case Shane O' Mac is running wild.  Maybe some B2B moves are better than others and you'd like to make space for other cards in your Arsenal.  That will come with more practice and playing games to see what you like better. 

Classic Raw Deal / Re: Backstage Politics
« on: June 10, 2019, 06:45:41 AM »
In the original print run of Raw Deal, feuds were basically untouchable, because they had a ton of gimmick feuds around which to build decks (WWE Homecoming, Major Announcement, B2B, First of All).  You will be extremely hard-pressed to blank Politics at any point during the game as RTC - you pretty much have to stick a Waist Lock while it's in their ring.

Classic Raw Deal / Re: Top 5 Best and Top 5 Worst Superstars
« on: June 10, 2019, 06:40:57 AM »
How in the bloody blue hell is BFM "bad"??!?!?!?!?!? Sorry I can't wrap my head around THAT

They only released until V5.  May 19 hasn't come out for them yet, that was in V7

Classic Raw Deal / Re: Superstar Strategy Session #5: Umaga
« on: April 24, 2019, 10:25:43 AM »
You CAN pack tribal trouble chain Samoan drop with Bash,12766.msg154496.html#msg154496

All in all, I still find chain Umaga to be the most stable build. I’d like to throw in a Zack Ryder GRA if I’m running unbreakable chain to forcefully continue my turn as well.

I don't think that works the way you think it does.

There's actually two "end of turn" events that happen with that scenario, and Zac(h)k Ryder GRA only stops the reversal that stuffs your Unbreakable Chain.  It doesn't help the one where the Chain maneuver is reversed (unless you have a second Unbreakable Chain to try and it succeeds).

Classic Raw Deal / Re: Superstar Strategy Session #4: Asuka
« on: April 18, 2019, 06:18:00 AM »
These are awesome!  Just a quick designer's note on Nobody Is Ready For Asuka!, we had the discard as part of the ability but it felt too good with Back to Basics.  Splitting it up onto a non-B2B compatible Pre-match (and adding the obvious 'go first' thematic effect) seemed like a good balance.

Also, we intentionally wanted a Superstar that didn't fall into the 'normal' builds, and the unusual offense of Asuka played into it well.


I feel like she should get
Educated Feet
Kick of Death
Japanese Flag

Public school is free - anyone can Educate their Feet by packing it.  :) 

On the other two:
1) We try to not have people chase URs from a game no longer in print, so we wouldn't outright give her Tajiri's Kick of Death.  However, Asuka will get some support so long as she maintains her status on the roster, so adding more Asuka moves isn't out of the realm of possibility.  Not a spoiler, nor a promise - just an observation.
2) I know she's Japanese - but did she really wave the Flag all that much?  The people who got the Japanese flag card were generally people for whom someone waved the flag all the way down the aisle consistently.  Taka and Funaki did it for Kaientai, someone did it for Yoko - for those guys it was a part of their everyday gimmick.  For Asuka - I don't recall it being part of her normal.  Did I miss something? 

Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Raw (Deal) after Mania [No Spoilers]
« on: April 09, 2019, 02:20:46 AM »
Amazing.  We're not worthy.

Organized Play / Re: Lackey tournament #14 .... Take two???
« on: February 25, 2019, 11:17:13 AM »
Since I have a move to do this month that will take me offline for 1-2 weeks most likely, I'm going to be extra-aggressive on matchups this week.  Esp Saturday, where I have to be home and available for work (but likely will not need to).  Anyone interested in setting up a time, holler at me so we can get it done. 

Classic Raw Deal / RD In Raleigh?
« on: February 19, 2019, 09:42:19 AM »
So my job is transferring me to Raleigh (probably April).

Is there anyone who plays Raw Deal in the Raleigh, NC area? 

Organized Play / Re: Lackey tournament #14 .... Take two???
« on: February 14, 2019, 04:34:59 PM »
Ill bring the United States of Nakamura to the party.

Welcome (back) to Raw Deal / Re: Where do we start?
« on: January 20, 2019, 09:57:47 AM »
On superstars - the Superstar Strategy Guide forum has the listing for all Superstar-specifics for all superstars.  Use the Index post to find the superstar you want to look up.

As to staples - there's no one consensus, but I'm happy to leave my opinion as to what cards I always run (cards with a star denote some kind of deck building restriction, such as Face or Heel).

Back Throw
Carlito Says "That's Not Cool!"
Don't Be A Douchebag
Here Comes The Calvary*
Shocking Interference*
Total Teamwork*
You Missed Your Chance
You're A Jive Soul Bro*

Making Your Escape
Playing By The Rules TB*
This Is My Hometown

Classic Teamwork*
This Is Going to be An Old School Brawl
Turning Everything Upside Down
Your Reach Exceeds Your Grasp

All cards with "Shenanigans" in the title
Hometown Hero (if you need a Venue)
Pulled Some Strings to Get My Match (if you need a Stipulation)
WWE Raw Deal 10th Anniversary

The rest of the virtual cards really augment your deck-building strategies and depend on the Superstar you're building.  For example, if you're Owen Hart, you can (and probably should) pack the Pre-Match High-Flying Style, which then allows you to pack stuff like the backstage card Cruiserweight Style Action and the reversal Back Flip.  Meanwhile, if you're an ECW superstar/extremist, there's a whole lot of new things for you - a backstage card, some new Foreign Objects, an action, a new stipulation, and a couple of other Pre-match cards that may interest you. 

So which Virtual cards you use partially depends on the superstar you choose.  But the specific ones I list above are the drop-dead basics I look for in any deck as long as the superstar I'm playing can pack them.

Classic Deck Reviews / Re: Heat
« on: January 15, 2019, 10:19:41 AM »
Wow lots of good responses. Is blinside counterintuitive with heat?

Absolutely counterintuitive.

While the idea of mixing traits is a good one, Heat is probably the toughest to do so (recovery restrictions, Headstrong restrictions).

Well, it depends. 

There are Blindside cards that don't touch the Ringside Pile at all.

Blindside Tornado Strike for all (rips red from Ring)
Blindside Drop Toe Hold (takes a Pre/Mid out of your Ring, could put more Heat in the pile) for FF
Blindside Sleeper (kills a single card from the Ring) for FF
Blindsided by the Dangerous Divas (recover RFG, risky with Headstrong) for FF
Blindside Takedown (rips a card from your Ring, usually an inconsequential one).

If you're not running Sizzling Clothesline, then you may also consider Blindside Beal Toss as a starter; when running Sizzling Clothesline, it's not good enough to make the cut.

I'd 100% stay away from Choke, Slam, Kick, and Ab Stretch though unless you're The Rattlesnake or are certain the Cell is going to stick.

EDIT: These options mostly all work better for Heels, since Once Is Enough is a prime target for most of the Ring removal. 

So close - thought I had covered myself from auto-eliminations, but alas not to be.  Grats to Ekhari.  :)

Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Bam Bam Bigelow
« on: January 11, 2019, 12:24:48 PM »
It's funny you mention Foreign Objects, because one of the better things Bam Bam does is objects.  We had a guy run a Kitchen Sink Bam Bam deck to very good success around here.  Also, Million Dollar Corp is hands-down my favorite faction because it's SO damn powerful.  Being printed on that faction and hitting Tax Tips from IRS is basically game over.

If Bam Bam has a weakness, it's definitely his endgame.  His finisher hasn't aged well, and his ability really doesn't do much when you have Fortitude (the ability to dodge Undermine aside).  And yes, the interaction with BAM BAM! and Cartwheel was intended to save him from burning on his ability, but it can be looked at as a downside for Unique cards.  Tax Tips from IRS covers SOME of that, but there are other ways to end games in Raw Deal these days that he can utilize (Victory Roll, Crucifix TB, That's It, etc). 

EDIT: The suggestion about House that Hardcore Built, while thematic, doesn't help much.  You can get a similar effect by slotting One of the Big Boys into your Pre-Match and using your ability to discount things.  1D on non-unique reversals, and -4F from the door if you run both Diva Bikini Contest and the Venue.

Daniel Bryan - 6 pts
Rumble Royalty - 4 pts
205 - 2 pts
Cornerman - 1 pt
Cardio King - 1 pt
1 x Reroll Counter - 1 pt

Virtual Deck Reviews / Re: Michael Tarver *Just started Raw Dealing again*
« on: December 31, 2018, 07:33:21 AM »
Unsure of your card pool, but here are my suggestions.

For the Pre - you only have 8 Pre-match but can pack 12, so I've suggested some add-ons below:

NXT Arrival and/or Corey Graves, Savior of Misbehavior (brand new in V9!) are good considerations.  Depending on which ECW Title (original or TB) you're running, I'm Always On The Winning Side: MY Side works as an Allegiance - the original ECW Title is NOT an ECW card (oddly) while the TB is, so you can't run the TB with Winning Side.  Also, Frankie Takes Ho-llywood is a good add to protect you against Plunge.

For the Mid - I'd add, at the minimum, Restricted Use In This Area, Turning Everything Upside Down, Your Reach Exceeds Your Grasp and (if you have access to it) Sustained Damage.  As a Heel, you probably also want You're As Graceful As A Cow On Ice to protect yourself vs. someone who spams Multi maneuvers early and often, and you definitely want Unscrupulous SOB, since it's an Action/ACE reversal at 5F.  That gives you 10 mid- the other two depend on what you want to accomplish with your Mid-Match - generally good add-ons if you have no ideas are Fortitude Surge, Ready to Fight, The King Interferes (RAW logo), This Is Going to Be an Old School Brawl, or My Game; My Way.

Arsenal: I'd find a way to fit in the following cards:
1-2 Brass Knucks Shot
2-3 Cold-Cocked
2 Don't Try This At Home

Knucks buffs punches and reverse High Risks.  Cold-Cocked, while not technically a punch, lets you grab Punch After Punch from the Ringside if it's reversed, which may be enough for someone to let the CC through.  And Don't Try defends you against ACEs, which is a pretty big deal.

Virtual Raw Deal / Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
« on: December 20, 2018, 08:21:12 AM »
I'm the worst at timing...for Joe's backstage fortitude reduction, will a card still reduce it's own fort when playing from under the backstage?

Example: you are at 0F and have only Apply Illegal Leverage (printed 3F) under, when you attempt to play it, does it lose the fort reduction and you cant play?

Correct.  When it leaves the area to be played, the fort reduction is gone and it's not a legal play.

Similar thing with Blindside Takedown - you actually need 15F to play it, since when you play it the BSTD leaves the Ringside and the reduction is no longer valid.

Virtual Raw Deal / Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
« on: December 09, 2018, 08:41:24 PM »
Turning Everything Upside Down

Small note - this is RMS, and therefore not affected by Fairy Tale

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