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Virtual Raw Deal / Re: The Cutting Room Floor
« on: May 30, 2020, 08:07:22 PM »
Good Lord, I never thought I'd see that image again. 

I can fill in a couple of the blanks here:

1) Raw Guest Host was on there because All Axxess was the dominant format at the time, and allowing RGH to have Masks would allow him to be whoever the cornered cards he was packing wanted him to be.  I forget the specific example at the time, but if you look at all the available "Revolution X Is In My Corner" cards and the specific moves they'd allow RGH access to, it was deemed to be too much since the benefits were designed for someone else. 

2) Frankie made it on there because at the time, we all felt that of the "prize" cards that came from the previous Raw Deal universe, Frankie's needed the most help (yeah, don't laugh too hard...) if you counted Can U Believe The Witte Retort as a TB for My New Gimmick.  Yes, it allegedly didn't turn out how Frankie had desired it (the rumor at the time of creation is that it was supposed to be a stopper for Turn 1 plunge decks like Evolution, but the Comic Images design committee left the Permanent trait off of the card), but I think it's aged really well in an era where RMS on reversals can be a good thing to have.  The original perk had a small list of usually masked superstars (IIRC Rey Jr, Sting, and Sin Cara) that could draw one card at the end of the Pre-match phase, which was, shall we say, less than helpful.

I do hope that the effect can be used if we could find the right superstar(s) to use it for - really the Shenanigans-nerf dodging was the critical nail in the coffin for this particular card, so if a single superstar gets it, they won't have to worry about the name-based Shenanigans nerfs at all.

Theory: No Escape decks usually struggle early game, if they can get to their in mid-game moves, they fare much better. (EDIT: Phone auto correct)

Hypothesis - Sid has a lot of Fortitude reduction, let's see how he plays No Escape.

1x Sid
1x Backstage Autograph Session
1x Backstage Signature
1x Best There Is, Best There Was
1x Cause Adam Crites Said So
1x Celebrity Shenanigans
1x Classic Competitor
1x Defeating Villainous Shenanigans
1x Enough Shenanigans!
1x Hometown Hero
1x No More Shenanigans
1x Nostalgia Shenanigans
1x Old School Shenanigans
1x Raw Deal Tenth Anniversary
1x Really, That's Enough Shenanigans
1x WWE Raw Deal Fifth Anniversary
1x WWE Signing Appearance

1x Blatant Chokehold
1x Blindside Takedown
1x Classic Bear Hug
1x Classic Bulldog
1x Classic Claw
1x Classic Drop Kick
1x Classic Knee to the Groin
1x Classic Lariat
1x Classic Sleeper Hold
1x Classic Toss Out of the Ring
1x Classic Vertical Suplex
1x Dynamic Finisher
1x Sid's Vicious Power Bomb
1x Spinning Arm Lock
1x Spinning Wrist Lock Hammerlock Headlock Takedown Armbar of Doom
1x Spiral Bomb
1x Sycho Choke Slam
1x Table
1x The Maneuver of Doom
1x Whirlwind Kick
1x What a Maneuver!
1x A Vicious Corporate Takeover
1x Here Comes the Cavalry!
1x Pencil-Necked Geek
1x McMahon Family Values
1x Stop Sign
1x Take One Second
1x Tax Tips from I.R.S.
1x You Will Be Bought!
3x A Revolution of the Mind
1x Back Throw
1x Breaking Ground
1x Counter Strike
1x Carlito Says 'That's Not Cool!'
1x Classic Bulldog Lariat
1x Divine Intervention
1x Don't be a Douchebag!
1x Escape the Rules
2x Elbow to the Face
3x Get the 'F' Out!
1x I've Got One Thing To Say About That!
3x Manager Interferes
1x One!
1x Shocking Interference
1x Sycho Strength
2x Technical Bear Hug
1x The Horsemen Have My Back
1x Unintended CONsequences
2x Volley This!
1x You Missed Your Chance
1x You're a Jive Soul Bro!

Backlash Deck
1x Classy Freddie Blassie, The Maker of Champions
1x Distractingly Divalicious
1x From Wherever He Damn Well Pleases
1x Making Your Escape
1x Managed by 'Classy' Freddy Blassie
1x Once a Horseman, Always a Horseman
1x Saturday Night's Main Event
1x Sycho Sid
1x The 'On One' Arena, Ontario, California
1x The Million Dollar Corporation
1x There Is No Escape
1x World Wrestling Federation Heavyweight Title Belt
1x Goodnight, Everybody!
1x Master and Ruler of the World
1x Sid's Big Boot of Justice
1x Restricted Use in This Area
1x Sustained Damage
1x The Beast Money Can Buy
1x The Horsemen Have Something to Say About That
1x This Is Going to be an Old School Brawl!
1x Turning Everything Upside Down
1x Unscrupulous S.O.B.
1x You're as Graceful as a Cow on Ice
1x Your Reach Exceeds Your Grasp

Turns out the deck did rather well.  4-2 overall in the recent OCTGN tournament.  Defeated Yokozuna, Johnny Gargano, Braun Strowman, and BFM.  Lost to BFM and Pete Dunne.

Every game except Gargano was a grinder game - you work your way up the maneuver latter by hook (Maneuvers landing) or crook (Fortitude reduction).  No Escape closes off some options of reversing to them - most importantly the BL deck, and with Sid's ability to semi-scramble the hand, it makes redwalling him harder.  From Wherever He Pleases + Sycho Choke Slam are your recovery.  The Gargano matchup was just an old school Raw Deal game - I had the reversals, he didn't.  The two losses - the BFM deck was probably a better grinder deck, but I split on one of the flukier endings to a Raw Deal game I have ever seen.  The Dunne match, he was able to out-value me in a long (2.5 hour) game.

Post-tournament - the only obvious cuts for me are Escape the Rules and Pencil-Necked Geek.  Neither saw any use.  The rest is debatable - heavily thinking about removing One! and On-One Arena too, but not sure what I'd add there.   I'd like a TB Sucker Punch and an Eat Your Words in the deck in the future, but not sure what I'd remove for them.

Happy to hear any suggestions or ways to make the deck better.

Online Organized Play / Re: OCTGN Virtual Tournament
« on: May 25, 2020, 02:34:30 PM »
The finals is tentatively scheduled for Wednesday at 7:30 PM Eastern time.

Rules Forum / Re: Nash's Backstage Power
« on: May 18, 2020, 03:08:04 AM »
You are correct. Per the OmniFAQ, Active does not restrict you putting multiple copies of an active card in your Ring as long as you don't play the second / third copy. Nash's Backstage Power will allow you to inject multiple doses of Poison if triggered.

Classic Deck Reviews / Re: Rey Mysterio with Back to Basics
« on: May 11, 2020, 03:39:41 AM »
B2B Rey should work without his Revo cards. He was a force as late as No Way Out if I remember right.

Online Organized Play / Re: OCTGN Virtual Tournament
« on: May 07, 2020, 07:56:04 PM »
Sid (49F) pins Braun Strowman (42F)

Online Organized Play / Re: OCTGN Virtual Tournament
« on: April 19, 2020, 02:59:37 PM »
Sid (40F) pins Johnny Gargano (13F)

Professional Wrestling Discussion / Re: WWE and AEW: SHUT DOWN NOW
« on: April 14, 2020, 11:36:27 AM »
I don't know thing one about AEW, but the problem for WWE: They're not living up to their end of their TV contract (ratings, etc) and are grasping at any straw possible to make sure there's no excuse to renegotiate the contract.  It's all a $$$ proposition for Vinnie Mac.  Also, Vinnie Mac = PT Barnum and once you understand that you can understand why he doesn't give a crap about Roman's condition or how many people have been exposed to the rumored positive WWE COVID-19 infections (last check was Bobby Lashley, Corey Graves, and Carmella, but I could be off on that). 

Online Organized Play / Re: OCTGN Virtual Tournament
« on: April 07, 2020, 12:14:02 PM »
SID (68F) d. Yokozuna (67F) via Horseman Mid-Match overturn

Online Organized Play / Re: OCTGN Virtual Tournament
« on: April 06, 2020, 11:39:42 AM »
With that last entry, just waiting on BigPimpin to name his Superstar and we can start with the pairings.

I named it by editing my response, but I'm SID.  EDIT: My username is flyinbrian27

Online Organized Play / Re: OCTGN Virtual Tournament
« on: April 04, 2020, 11:09:08 AM »

General Chat / Re: [Spoilers] Persona 5 Royal
« on: March 31, 2020, 09:15:10 AM »
It arrived within the past hour, but my wife's working in the living room and is on calls all day, so... I'll have thoughts soon. Right now, I'm... aggravated by the delay, but looking forward to it.

Side note: When next you're up our way, give me a shout. I don't use my Vita anymore (bought it for P4G, used it for mostly that, have other stuff now), so I'd be happy to loan it to you if you like.

I'd love to try it out - not sure when I'll be back up this year (November maybe?) but as plans coalesce I'll let you know.

General Chat / [Spoilers] Persona 5 Royal
« on: March 31, 2020, 07:48:11 AM »
Yeah, so for those that don't know, I'm a HUGE Persona game fan. I played Persona 1 when it first came out, I'm inches away from the true ending of P4 (haven't played P4 Golden because no PSVita...), and I've invested at least 200 hours into Persona 5 on PS3 when I acquired it.  Every trophy achieved. 

So of course I ordered P5R at the first opportunity and it showed up for me yesterday.  I'm only 6 hours in, but it already feels like a whole different gaming experience.  There's too much here to be specific about the totality of the change, but some of the biggest QoL changes so far:
1) Gun ammo refills after every battle, which is a HUGE QoL upgrade.  In P5, you had basically two clips worth of ammo for your guns and that was it for the whole Palace.  You're now down to one clip, but it refills every battle.
2) I've only done two confidant-type things so far (Death and Chariot) but both already have had scenes added onto their relationship-building events.  Also somewhat related:
3) Atlus took note of what I feel were the two most glaring problems in the early game - the lack of available money and the lack of SP recovery in palaces.  The addition of Will Seeds, along with a couple of tweaks to some of the early game stuff, and the Death confidant may actually pay you for your killing yourself. 
4) Addressing another minor problem, the tweak to "high-level" Shadows really gets you a better chance at getting appropriate armor (albeit at the cost of doing more laundry...) or at the worst gives you more money when you sell the things.

For those that may be playing, I'm curious if you have any thoughts

I heard a rumor that Andrade is out now too due to injury (not COVID-19 related).  Allegedly replaced in the match by Austin Theory.

At this rate we're going to have to put an asterisk next to this Mania while we call it one of the worst Mania's in history.  Opinions on the full card were probably mixed to start with, and now we're talking about a bunch of the card being compromised due to illness and injury.  I'll still be watching because it still comes with my $9.99, but my expectations for this show are in the basement even if it's split over two nights (which is a positive IMO).

Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Old School wrestling match tb fixes
« on: January 29, 2020, 07:45:03 AM »
For those saying "specifics to negate OSWM TB": there are already decks that have this kind of anti-OSWM flavor.  Most recently Torrie Wilson and Trish Stratus got This IS What We Came To See! which gives them some leeway to play actions without (much) fear.  For those that dislike OSWM to a high degree - have you tried playing with this card vs. OSWM TB?  Did it have the desired effect? 

Welcome (back) to Raw Deal / Re: Crowdsourcing Virtual Starter Decks
« on: January 09, 2020, 09:52:47 AM »
One of the things I did yesterday thinking about this - I built a deck that has as many virtual cards as possible (utilizing the "lesser" TBs where needed).  The closest I was able to come was 60 cards out of 60 for Arsenal and 22 of 24 for Backlash.  Other than Elbow (which I ignored in favor of lesser reversals that I would normally cut), Underrated, and Showtime, I feel like it would have been a viable deck.  The positive here is that we have most of a solid reversal base down in a Virtual game. 

Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake - The superstar for whom I did the above experiment.  Focus on Virtual moves, underrated Backstage card, ability to take a hit and not be out of it is all good things.

Any non-remake who can pack Classic Competitor in general - Classic is a maneuver base that has continued to garner support, and Classic Competitor is the tool that negates the downside of the Classics. 

Chris Masters - simple ability to understand, eminently useful no matter what types of maneuvers are run.  Only one non-Virtual support card, and you can live without for the moment.

4H - high value, simple SSA, support as a Legend/Tag Team/Stable, Face/Heel pack further shores up the reversal base.

Brain Busters - ability can be ignored, but the ability to jump the Fort Curve on your opponent's turn is pretty large.  Legend/Tag Team/Heenan Family Member

Raw Guest Host - ability that can be ignored.  While not as good at it as Beefcake, RGH can live on Classics and the various Unique maneuvers.  -8F on all your moves is nothing to sneeze at.

Umaga - simple ability, powerful cards - probably a level 2 deck with the pre and the mid to remember.

Legacy - For newcomers, I'm a fan of decks that have a lot of specifics to simplify deck building.  Legacy/Priceless are one of the few "load o' specifics" decks that doesn't add in non-Virual specifics to the deck.  Legacy over Priceless because the ability is simple enough to understand and execute and doesn't interfere with a deck building concept if the player wants to go crazy.

Heath Slater - simple, powerful ability, gives a direction with The One Man Rock Band. 

Cody Rhodes - I only bring up Cody because he's popular on another program now - leave him Liberated and his cards are great and somewhat simple but his ability requires a Steiner Math degree to fully get.

Lone Warrior TB - take the Backlash deck out of their hands, draw 2 per turn, nice card base.  Loses points for needing 5 Goldberg specifics.

Dusty Rhodes - another slightly complex ability, but the fact that he can run 3 copies of Classics in his deck means he can pick and choose the good ones and run three copies.  Legend support.

Samoa Joe - once you get the hang of the mechanic, he's relatively easy to execute.

Virtual Raw Deal / Re: 2020 Bottom of the Barrel Thread
« on: January 08, 2020, 08:58:16 AM »
I'm guessing you mean classic, and not Revolution Sabu.  :)

By the way, it's helpful to share why you've found them to be lacking, what they aren't doing, etc. It helps look at the weak points, and identify room for specific improvement. (Not singling you out, ESGR, just speaking generally)  :)


Yes, i meant classic Sabu. Generally, he do not have a easy way to get fort. i meant i try play foreign object, chain, blank maneuvers with drawing a blank. by the time i get the fort, probably in a pinch of getting backslide, inside cradle for pinfall.

Have you had the opportunity to Backed by RVD into a Shoot Lockup?  That was always my backup plan on getting started.  It requires the Shoot Lockup to be in hand, but once it is you can search for a Chair Shot to make it happen.

Virtual Raw Deal / Re: 2020 Bottom of the Barrel Thread
« on: January 06, 2020, 07:03:02 AM »
In my experience with Sabu, he's proven to be a difficult deck build in some aspects.  He's got some advantages for sure (10 SHS + Underrated, ECW ONS in the backstage, HFS in the backstage) but HFS and ECW are two areas of the game that don't naturally mesh with regards to deck builds (or I have a mental block on it for some reason).  I haven't given it a good shot since Cruiserweight Style Action came out, though, so maybe it's time to dig him up and try again.

Updated the list with recent suggestions.  Thank you to all who have partaken in this thread so far. 

Virtual Raw Deal / Re: 2020 Bottom of the Barrel Thread
« on: December 30, 2019, 10:05:07 PM »
One thing I should add, and it's a mistake I can speak from experience on:

Not commonly played does not equal not good.  Sometimes real-life popularity affects play rates, sometimes people would just rather play other superstars.  No one in my playgroup plays CM Punk, for example, but you'll never convince me he's not good.  He's just, for whatever reason, not commonly played by me.

Love everything else so far, keep it coming.  I'm keeping track of the list for now in the lead thread.

Virtual Raw Deal / Re: 2020 Bottom of the Barrel Thread
« on: December 30, 2019, 02:22:14 PM »

Drywall, to clarify - do you mean Vickie Guerrero or Victoria here?

Virtual Raw Deal / Re: 2020 Bottom of the Barrel Thread
« on: December 30, 2019, 11:09:48 AM »
Thanks all.  I'm keeping a short list at the top of the thread so we can keep track.

Virtual Raw Deal / 2020 Bottom of the Barrel Thread
« on: December 30, 2019, 09:49:14 AM »
As a designer of cards, I usually have a lot of my focus on the top-end of the Raw Deal metagame when comparing and contrasting superstars with one another.  Example - for the Then/Now/Forever set, I asked myself things like "is Pete Dunne Tier 1?", or "what's the optimal Jim Cornette build?".  Every now and again, though, I like to take my focus off of the top of the mountain and see who's at the bottom with no hope of climbing.  That's where I'd like to ask for assistance from the guys and gals that make up the Raw Deal universe.

I'd like you guys and gals to tell me who are, in your opinion, the "bad" superstars in Raw Deal.  Those that, no matter what is done with them, are just not cut out to win matches consistently.  So we can keep this orderly and track able, I'd like everyone to keep the following in mind:

1) I'm looking for between 1 and 3 superstars that, in your opinion, just don't have the ability to "cut it" in Raw Deal these days.  If there's more, put 'em down.

2) Reasons and/or constructive criticism would be helpful so we can understand why the superstar is "bad". 

3) Please keep in mind that personal attacks or other breaches of TCO's rules will not be tolerated.  This is not an excuse to reach out and flame someone on how a superstar is designed.

To give an example, I'll put one down I've had in the back of my head to start this off (and yes I know I'm wordy, you don't have to be as in depth):

Rene Dupree - Despite an early hand advantage through Pre-Match cards like Managed by Fifi and It's Hard Being This Original, if Rene can't take that early advantage into an insurmountable lead, he'll eventually be ground to dust.  Also, AIUU's discard text has lost a lot of power since all Rookie/NXT superstars are immune to it.  Everyone around him does what he does but better - British Bulldog has no pack restriction can take Backlash cards from his Ring as well as Backlash and recover, Latino Cheat can pack the normal compliment of reversals (his restriction is on playing more than one, not packing more than one) and has a superior give-back of searching for cards instead of drawing. 

Looking forward to hear who you think is the bottom of the barrel going into 2020.

The Short List (from comments below):
Rene Dupree
Honky Tonk Man
Bam Bam Bigelow
Dean Malenko
Ted DiBiase Jr
Trish Stratus
Vickie Guerrero
The Revival
The Colons
Gene Snitsky
Paul Heyman
Santino Marella
Legion Of Doom
Wade Barrett
Mr. Perfect
Stevie Richards
Team Hell No
Raw Guest Host
Natural Disasters
Muhammad Hassan
The Ultimate Warrior
Cactus Jack

Virtual Raw Deal / Re: Virtual Holiday: Then, Now, Forever
« on: December 20, 2019, 10:13:29 AM »
hell yeah, Pete Dunne!!!
Split Finger Lock time???

To the bitter end.

Rules Forum / Re: Intensity of ten cities and no more shenanigans
« on: September 01, 2019, 07:07:35 AM »
The answer to the original question is - maybe.

Assuming the opponent is willing to overturn the 1 card, what NMS does is prevent I10C from going to the bottom of the Arsenal as the activation cost and instead removes it from the game.  But the activation is still pending, so whether or not The Home Team gets to shuffle 10 in that situation depends on whether the opponent reverses the Activated Card Effect.  If they do not, then you shuffle 10, but if they do, then you don't. 

Virtual Deck Reviews / Re: Looking for Virtual Decklists
« on: August 28, 2019, 01:03:51 PM »
Out of curiosity, what New Deal deck on YouTube do you mean?

One of the videos is here.  However, this is rated NSFW for the savage savage beating that was laid upon poor Los Cheese.

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