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Title: WCW's Technical Shooter Question
Post by: daftw on January 12, 2021, 07:57:09 AM
Does playing maneuvers from the effect of Everything and the Kitchen Sink considered "as if from hand"?

WCW's Technical Shooter     (Dean Malenko logo)
Backstage Card
When packing this card, you can pack Drawing a Blank in your Backstage and it is considered to have "1000" in the title; replace the "Before your Draw Segment when your Ability is blank" text with "When your maneuver is unsuccessful" on that card.
You are also considered The Radicalz for your card effects, and replace "Arsenal" with "Ringside" on your Ring Psychology: Leg.
Do not RFG cards for The Iceman Cometh, your Superstar-specific cards are considered non-Unique for that card's effect, and when you play a maneuver without a printed reversal restriction "as if from hand", it is Chain and you may blank that card for the rest of the turn.
Unique     RMS     WCW logo

Everything and the Kitchen Sink
Strike: Foreign Object: Face
When played, choose up to 2 Foreign Object maneuvers in your Ringside pile not titled Everything and the Kitchen Sink. Those maneuvers are considered played from your hand and are played in the order of your choice after this card. Resolve each card's effects and damage before the next card is considered played. After all of these cards have been played, if any have been reversed, your turn ends.
SV: 1 
F: 14     D: 6
Title: Re: WCW's Technical Shooter Question
Post by: Naitchng on January 12, 2021, 08:32:45 PM
U mean r the 2 fo play with kitchen sink chain & can be blank? I think so. Wait for dilbert ans
Title: Re: WCW's Technical Shooter Question
Post by: daftw on January 14, 2021, 05:44:48 AM
U mean r the 2 fo play with kitchen sink chain & can be blank? I think so. Wait for dilbert ans

Yup
Title: Re: WCW's Technical Shooter Question
Post by: Hogtrail on January 14, 2021, 08:18:21 AM
I believe WCW's Technical Shooter looks for the words "as if from hand", so Kitchen Sink would not get the chain/blank effect
Title: Re: WCW's Technical Shooter Question
Post by: CreedP on January 14, 2021, 04:15:43 PM
FYI we're consulting on this and will get back to you soon.

CREED
Title: Re: WCW's Technical Shooter Question
Post by: dilbert505 on January 14, 2021, 06:17:50 PM
OK, I have good news and bad news for you. The good news is that I'm issuing a ruling that "as if from hand," "as if they were from hand" (the old Classic wording) and "considered (to be) played from your hand" are all functional equivalents, and cards that look for any of those strings of text will work for any other. It is unnecessarily complicated to have those wordings impact the game differently, so going forward, they won't. The Omni will be edited to reflect this.

The bad news is that this was not intended behavior for WCW's Technical Shooter, and I'm issuing errata to that card (which will be released in the next revision) to patch the oversight. Effective immediately, that card reads:

WCW's Technical Shooter     (Dean Malenko logo)
Backstage Card
When packing this card, you can pack Drawing a Blank in your Backstage and it is considered to have "1000" in the title; replace "Before your Draw Segment when your Ability is blank" with "When your maneuver is unsuccessful" on that card.
You are also considered The Radicalz for your card effects, and replace "Arsenal" with "Ringside" on your Ring Psychology: Leg.
Do not RFG cards for The Iceman Cometh, your Superstar-specific cards are considered non-Unique for that card's effect, and when you play a non-Foreign Object maneuver without a printed reversal restriction "as if from hand", it is Chain and you may blank that card for the rest of the turn.
Unique     RMS     WCW logo

Feel free to continue using the Sink in your deck if you want to, but it's not going to let you throw 2 Chain FOs with it; they'll have to be boring old normal maneuvers.
Title: Re: WCW's Technical Shooter Question
Post by: daftw on January 16, 2021, 06:43:53 PM
OK, I have good news and bad news for you. The good news is that I'm issuing a ruling that "as if from hand," "as if they were from hand" (the old Classic wording) and "considered (to be) played from your hand" are all functional equivalents, and cards that look for any of those strings of text will work for any other. It is unnecessarily complicated to have those wordings impact the game differently, so going forward, they won't. The Omni will be edited to reflect this.

The bad news is that this was not intended behavior for WCW's Technical Shooter, and I'm issuing errata to that card (which will be released in the next revision) to patch the oversight. Effective immediately, that card reads:

WCW's Technical Shooter     (Dean Malenko logo)
Backstage Card
When packing this card, you can pack Drawing a Blank in your Backstage and it is considered to have "1000" in the title; replace "Before your Draw Segment when your Ability is blank" with "When your maneuver is unsuccessful" on that card.
You are also considered The Radicalz for your card effects, and replace "Arsenal" with "Ringside" on your Ring Psychology: Leg.
Do not RFG cards for The Iceman Cometh, your Superstar-specific cards are considered non-Unique for that card's effect, and when you play a non-Foreign Object maneuver without a printed reversal restriction "as if from hand", it is Chain and you may blank that card for the rest of the turn.
Unique     RMS     WCW logo

Feel free to continue using the Sink in your deck if you want to, but it's not going to let you throw 2 Chain FOs with it; they'll have to be boring old normal maneuvers.

Ah okay, thanks for the clarification.