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Title: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on November 25, 2018, 10:06:39 AM
The wait is almost over!  30 days from today on Christmas Day, we'll release Virtual 9, the 'A section' (new Superstars and a few additional cards).  There might be some other presents under the tree as well, heh...

To build toward that, I'll be revealing one card (maybe more) from the new set.  No requests taken, sorry.

Starting off, let's 'Gather Around' to see the first of the new stuff, along with a refresher of this Superstar:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/862/29956524268_3b683f2bb2.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4805/44229027380_8be168269a.jpg)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Daeva on November 25, 2018, 04:05:31 PM
What a manly combination!
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: fadeaway on November 25, 2018, 11:35:47 PM
Excited!!
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: TimJR on November 26, 2018, 07:32:09 AM
I'm so amused that The Vaudevillains will mark an ability I proposed nearly -6 years ago- finally seeing 'print' :D

Obviously, it didn't start as a Vaudevillains ability :D
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on November 26, 2018, 08:00:20 AM
No, but that definitely makes it 'old(e)-fashioned' in Virtual development lore - speaking of which!

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4872/32174093468_29060d3e1a.jpg)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Rio D on November 26, 2018, 01:05:09 PM
#excited
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Keith0913832 on November 27, 2018, 08:35:08 AM
Like the small detail of the grey-ed out NXT logo
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on November 27, 2018, 08:37:12 AM
Thanks!  I wondered if anyone would catch that.  :)  It was fun to make these look 'vintage', especially since that Pre-match pic was black & white already.  Sometimes, though, you need to have a little bit of color:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4835/44229028630_92947fb617.jpg)

Next up: American Alpha

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: MonkeyLord13 on November 27, 2018, 08:56:02 AM
Hooray Blue Pants! Absolutely loving the Vaudevillians so far!
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Rio D on November 27, 2018, 09:22:12 AM
Only 3 support cards? I'm not complaining just asking for clarification. :)
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on November 27, 2018, 09:41:33 AM
Might want to reread the initial post.

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Rio D on November 27, 2018, 11:06:58 AM
My bad the "few" cards to me were non superstar cards. Sorry for the confusion.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on November 27, 2018, 11:21:18 AM
OH!  I see what you mean now.  Yeah, "New Superstars" as in full sets (with one exception, Ascension is kind of a promo Superstar, and has a smaller set.)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: GamerZombie on November 27, 2018, 11:34:37 AM
Blue Pants is now on a Raw Deal card and joins the great ranks of Ralphus, The Repo Man, The Shockmaster, and Duke the Dumpster as people I’d never thought I’d see on a Raw Deal card. Yet still no Disco Inferno... In all seriousness though, these look great! Thanks for the holiday cheer!
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: MonkeyLord13 on November 28, 2018, 07:16:25 AM
... (with one exception, Ascension is kind of a promo Superstar, and has a smaller set.) ...

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Oh now I'm super intrigued. I really liked the look of them based off their Superstar card, but did not of them as a promo Superstar. Hype-train, depart!
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on November 28, 2018, 07:48:29 AM
Up next:

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1778/29956526308_070de63d69.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4887/45995177262_900bff4f29.jpg)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: maskedllama on November 28, 2018, 06:56:38 PM
American Alpha looks like an easy but fun build.  Great work on the card design as well.   
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on November 29, 2018, 08:17:37 AM
I liked the way this came out:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4824/31105941957_cb700db7ac.jpg)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: KD8ESU on November 29, 2018, 10:38:45 AM
So it's not a multi unless it meets one of the three qualifiers (as a counter, after TitCT, after a Chain maneuver)?

You might want to remove the "multi" underneath the American Alpha logo before final release.


You're Welcome.  ;)
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on November 29, 2018, 11:14:59 AM
Ah, good catch, thanks!

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: teamzissou on November 29, 2018, 11:17:48 AM
I’m curious why Shoulder Tackle has black colored text. Isn’t the standard font color for backlash deck cards white (except for when the background is yellow)? I noticed this with The Rated R Supertar’s mid match card too (has black text). I think Backlash had black text, but it became white text after that set on.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on November 29, 2018, 11:51:58 AM
There might have been a reason at some point, or maybe that hybrid template of mine just didn't get updated.  Since I need to fix the 'multi' tag anyway, I can change it to white on this card.  Thanks!

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: TimJR on November 29, 2018, 11:57:53 AM
Nah, black text is correct. Mid-Match have black text titles, pre-match have white. Mid-match sometimes have white titles if they go really long  and bleed into picture/frame.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: dilbert505 on November 29, 2018, 12:04:43 PM
Tim, he's referring to the card text, not the card title. With rare exceptions, usually on very early cards, non-Revo Backlash cards have white card text, unless the bottom half of the card is a maneuver (which basically only occurs on Quick BASHing and mono-maneuvers.)
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: teamzissou on November 29, 2018, 12:04:59 PM
Black text titles is correct, but the bottom text should be white.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: TimJR on November 29, 2018, 12:06:14 PM
...oh yeah cards have more words than just the titles.

...this is why I'm not on the design team anymore XD
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: DebuRaito on November 29, 2018, 12:57:28 PM
I think it was made black subsequently because white text seems to be harder to read on blue background, especially printing in foil.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Hogtrail on November 29, 2018, 01:14:04 PM
Blue pants has white text
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on November 29, 2018, 01:29:35 PM
I can save further speculation and note that the other templates I use have white text (except non-hybrid maneuvers), so I converted as noted.

No interest in changing it on older Virtual cards though, unless we're changing something else anyway.

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on November 30, 2018, 08:21:46 AM
One last Alpha card before we move on to the Ascension over the weekend:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4841/31105944347_a470e8c450.jpg)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: darkdestiny91 on November 30, 2018, 09:41:26 AM
And we get the one reason Jason Jordan can be verified as Angle's son  ;D
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on November 30, 2018, 04:20:42 PM
TGIF/End of November bonus card!

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4864/32250807798_7d2aea6326.jpg)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Kingsantino92 on November 30, 2018, 04:41:34 PM
So if I want to play Snap Suplex which is 4F and that prematch card makes it a chain as a counter will my ability kick in and make it 0F?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: niiiiick on November 30, 2018, 04:52:12 PM
So if I want to play Snap Suplex which is 4F and that prematch card makes it a chain as a counter will my ability kick in and make it 0F?

Yes
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Daeva on November 30, 2018, 05:40:14 PM
Unfortunately, it'll do so After the Fortitude check, but it keeps you safe from Undermine, at least?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: niiiiick on November 30, 2018, 05:42:39 PM
Unfortunately, it'll do so After the Fortitude check, but it keeps you safe from Undermine, at least?

Because it's a when played effect? So they aren't able to throw first turn Germans, basically? (Unless of course they have 4F)
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Daeva on November 30, 2018, 07:36:45 PM
Yeah, the cards have to be legal plays before they become Chain. "When played" effects that directly reduce Fortitude work before the Fortitude check (because they have to), but other "when played" effects wait until the Fortitude is checked.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Tim (From SG) on November 30, 2018, 07:41:10 PM
Awesome! Looking forward to this v9 set which totally reeks of awesomeness 8)
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 01, 2018, 08:57:32 AM
Time for some YAH! it's the Ascension:

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1820/29956522388_a1e5907f34.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4863/32250809248_1a8d8e6d0e.jpg)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Tim (From SG) on December 02, 2018, 01:14:56 AM
Woo! I suppose it's a matter of time before the "big boys" are revealed.  ;)
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 02, 2018, 08:59:32 AM
Before we get to the 'boys' we'll look at the 'girls' next, but in the meantime:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4917/32250809848_e0b2060a12.jpg)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: maskedllama on December 02, 2018, 12:14:28 PM
I really like the ascension. I like the ability where your opponent is just have to keep hitting you. No fancy tricks are going to wear them down.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 02, 2018, 04:09:14 PM
One of the benefits of doing these is catching anything we might have missed, like the timing issue on American Alpha.  So we're fixing that by making their ability work on moves that are printed 5F or less, and making the Pre-match gives -5F to the lock/plex moves played as a Counter.  This gets the results we wanted (like the 0/8 Chain Alpha Ankle Lock maneuver) with negligible difference.

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Kingsantino92 on December 02, 2018, 04:25:00 PM
Did you mean to say cards of 5F or less is will the ability only work on 5F or less maneuvers only now?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 02, 2018, 04:37:11 PM
I meant to say exactly what I said.  :)

EDIT:  If it wasn't quite clear enough, though:

AMERICAN ALPHA
Starting Hand Size: 6     Superstar Value: 2
NXT Tag Team Superstar Ability: Your printed 5F- Chain cards are F: 0 and cannot be reversed from Ring.
You can pack The Straps Are Down; when played as a Counter, it is Chain. You cannot pack any Title Belts except the Tag Team Title Belts.

Elite Wrestling Ability
Pre-match Event
Cannot be blanked, and can be played during any Pre-match phase.
Your maneuvers with 'lock' and 'plex' in the title are +3D, and when played as a Counter, they are -5F and Chain.
At the end of the Pre-match Phase, draw 3 cards and then put 3 cards from hand on the bottom of your Arsenal.
F: 0     D: 0     Unique     Permanent     NXT logo

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 03, 2018, 08:24:53 AM
Ugh, Walmart during the Christmas season sure makes me miserable (moreso than usual!), but today is a new day, yes it is!  Less crankiness, more fun bubbly personality!

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/936/43778213122_0b3e8a0553.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4806/46103676122_369a4e922b.jpg)

...too bad it won't last, it's just a matter of time before 'The Real Emma' comes out.

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Hogtrail on December 03, 2018, 10:42:11 AM
I'm loving Emma so far. No one taunts the fans quite like her
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Drywall on December 03, 2018, 03:14:12 PM
I see Konnor of the Acension and I cannot un-see a jacked up version of Colt Cabana.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: maskedllama on December 03, 2018, 06:51:49 PM
Bubbly personality looks great!! That was such a fun time.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Kingsantino92 on December 04, 2018, 05:55:30 AM
So if I were to use Emma versus Booker T and he puts 2 cards under his arsenal before his draw segment for his ability she can promo 2 or no because his turn hasn't started yet?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: niiiiick on December 04, 2018, 06:10:15 AM
So if I were to use Emma versus Booker T and he puts 2 cards under his arsenal before his draw segment for his ability she can promo 2 or no because his turn hasn't started yet?

It's still his turn. The during any turn text is meant to differentiate between the prematch phase and the actual game. So in essence, she cannot promo for that part of her ability during the prematch phase, but can any other time in the game.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Tim (From SG) on December 04, 2018, 06:56:18 AM
Nice. "Emma's bubbly personality" levels the playing field in a multi-heavy environment.  8)
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 04, 2018, 08:10:14 AM
Pulling these back from the last page:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/936/43778213122_0b3e8a0553.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4806/46103676122_369a4e922b.jpg)

But what happens when Emma gets tired of pandering for the fans, and decides to get EVEN hotter?

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4848/46154241601_07fbfc4420.jpg)

And the card to trigger this looks like this:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4849/46103679292_0c63cfe9f2.jpg)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Tim (From SG) on December 05, 2018, 06:12:23 AM
Sweet. I like that transition. Very interesting and well thought-out.
I still prefer her bubbly personality somehow, haha.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 05, 2018, 08:02:00 AM
Understandable, though The Real Emma has other perks available, like this Virtual 8 card:

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1745/40909354130_cb1af37439.jpg)

Also, her support cards work give benefits to different modes (also also, I love how this came out visually).

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4910/46103678352_382e470777.jpg)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: maskedllama on December 05, 2018, 08:29:20 AM
You all really outdid yourselves on the Emma Personality transition effects!
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Drywall on December 05, 2018, 11:06:13 AM
I'm already excited for an alternate Super Star card with bubbly Emma in the forefront and evil Emma in the background.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 06, 2018, 08:45:20 AM
HMMMM, that'll be something to keep in mind, definitely.  As an aside, is there any interest in having new female Superstar alternate images in the old Divas style card format?  (But as 'Superstar', not 'Diva' obviously)

Meanwhile, don't you dare call HER a Diva!  Nobody's even ready for her!

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4823/46193735461_2f4b708b21.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4837/45281343795_23cda3a612.jpg)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: TimJR on December 06, 2018, 08:56:52 AM
AKA we tried to pull some cards out of your binder for the first time :D
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: necrobaron75 on December 06, 2018, 03:10:37 PM
I'M READY
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Kingsantino92 on December 06, 2018, 03:59:43 PM
For Backed by Dana Brooke does that card have to be in my ring to use the ace or can I use it while it's in my backstage?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: maskedllama on December 06, 2018, 09:44:12 PM
Look at that Asuka backstage card. Tim is right. It's time to go digging through the box of painstakingly sorted maneuvers. Hours spent organizing over 5,000 different maneuver cards have all paid off at this time.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: necrobaron75 on December 06, 2018, 11:24:59 PM
HMMMM, that'll be something to keep in mind, definitely.  As an aside, is there any interest in having new female Superstar alternate images in the old Divas style card format?  (But as 'Superstar', not 'Diva' obviously)

Meanwhile, don't you dare call HER a Diva!  Nobody's even ready for her!

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Sounds cool Creed.Prize idea?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 07, 2018, 08:28:31 AM
I'M READY

That's clearly not an accurate statement, because:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4854/45281342195_86bcb1068a.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4809/46193757531_a10965b22b.jpg)

I really loved that last picture, couldn't talk myself out of using it. The first one is from her NXT debut, seemed fitting to use.

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: niiiiick on December 07, 2018, 09:04:41 AM
Oooooooh, I'm (not) ready for Asuka
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: teamzissou on December 07, 2018, 09:39:33 AM
So can Furisode and Mask search for Knee Lift and Takedown? They are technically listed on the card, but not sure if that’s intended.

This is one of the great aspects of Raw Deal. A new superstar who can make unplayable cards amazing.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Buddha Dudley on December 07, 2018, 09:43:48 AM
Even if it wasn't intended, they're on the cards...
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Daeva on December 07, 2018, 10:41:33 AM
Asuka's Furisode and Mask can absolutely search for Knee Lift and Takedown.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Tim (From SG) on December 07, 2018, 11:04:51 AM
For Asuka's "Nobody Is Ready For Asuka" pre-match, what happens if Asuka faces Edge (ability: "You start the game after the pre-match phase), or even John Cena's "The Marine Taunt" ("You start the game"), or even Sheriff Austin's "Sheriff's Austin Quad runner"? Since all the mentioned cards state the same effect, "you start the game", if there's ever a scenario where both effects trigger, who would move first? Is there any predetermined factor next? Like for e.g. SSV higher to start first when both superstars trigger the same "You start the game" effect.

Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: lotjx on December 07, 2018, 11:11:50 AM
For Asuka's "Nobody Is Ready For Asuka" pre-match, what happens if Asuka faces Edge (ability: "You start the game after the pre-match phase), or even John Cena's "The Marine Taunt" ("You start the game"), or even Sheriff Austin's "Sheriff's Austin Quad runner"? Since all the mentioned cards state the same effect, "you start the game", if there's ever a scenario where both effects trigger, who would move first? Is there any predetermined factor next? Like for e.g. SSV higher to start first when both superstars trigger the same "You start the game" effect.

Asuka should go first since it appears to resolving after the rest of the pre-match phase. I really thought the mask would be backstage object. I do love her though even if I disagree with the limiting seemed to be imposed on her.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: MrPeoplesTeam on December 07, 2018, 11:15:17 AM
Great job guys
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: DebuRaito on December 07, 2018, 12:44:26 PM
For Asuka's "Nobody Is Ready For Asuka" pre-match, what happens if Asuka faces Edge (ability: "You start the game after the pre-match phase), or even John Cena's "The Marine Taunt" ("You start the game"), or even Sheriff Austin's "Sheriff's Austin Quad runner"? Since all the mentioned cards state the same effect, "you start the game", if there's ever a scenario where both effects trigger, who would move first? Is there any predetermined factor next? Like for e.g. SSV higher to start first when both superstars trigger the same "You start the game" effect.

This thread would help:

http://teamcanadaonline.net///index.php/topic,13152.msg157818.html#msg157818
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 07, 2018, 03:11:52 PM
Thanks for that link.

Meanwhile, here's one more before the weekend, bonus points to anyone who 'gets the joke' on why I used that picture:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4815/45494009024_d625ffbd43.jpg)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: tutoman on December 07, 2018, 03:39:16 PM
The card says multi, but it only says "Action"
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 07, 2018, 04:10:15 PM
Thanks, I'll update it to "Action + Action" as intended.  No need to quote the card in the previous post though, we can just look up.  ;)

However, that's not remotely close to "bonus points to anyone who 'gets the joke' on why I used that picture".

Also, thanks to whoever noted the action reversal search, we'll update Furisode & Mask to search for 'non-hybrid' cards on Aggression.

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Ekhari on December 07, 2018, 04:46:07 PM
Isn’t she cradling the belt there, making tomorrow today?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 07, 2018, 05:09:25 PM
Heh, no, not quite it.  Argh, stupid page breaks:

Meanwhile, here's one more before the weekend, bonus points to anyone who 'gets the joke' on why I used that picture:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4815/45494009024_d625ffbd43.jpg)


(And yes, we're fixing the image to say Action + Action, also Furisode will only fetch non-hybrids.  What's that, you say?

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4854/45281342195_86bcb1068a.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4809/46193757531_a10965b22b.jpg)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Tim (From SG) on December 07, 2018, 06:32:49 PM
For Asuka's "Nobody Is Ready For Asuka" pre-match, what happens if Asuka faces Edge (ability: "You start the game after the pre-match phase), or even John Cena's "The Marine Taunt" ("You start the game"), or even Sheriff Austin's "Sheriff's Austin Quad runner"? Since all the mentioned cards state the same effect, "you start the game", if there's ever a scenario where both effects trigger, who would move first? Is there any predetermined factor next? Like for e.g. SSV higher to start first when both superstars trigger the same "You start the game" effect.

This thread would help:

http://teamcanadaonline.net///index.php/topic,13152.msg157818.html#msg157818

Thanks man. The "ball passing" example makes it simple to understand. haha.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: DebuRaito on December 07, 2018, 08:49:31 PM
Regarding the picture for Empress of Tomorrow:

Because she’s in Japan (I’m not sure), thus technically it’s “tomorrow” in the US?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 07, 2018, 08:54:09 PM
She is not in Japan in that picture, she's somewhere else, which is quite relevant.

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Tim (From SG) on December 07, 2018, 09:59:19 PM
Perhaps a subtle reference to "V for Vendetta"? Just a wild guess.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: fadeaway on December 07, 2018, 10:01:04 PM
Could it be at Belgium?

Where Tomorrowland is?  ???
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 07, 2018, 10:19:12 PM
Haha, no, but it IS in Europe.  A place that has seen more action lately.

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: necrobaron75 on December 07, 2018, 10:44:28 PM
STILL READY
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 07, 2018, 10:48:37 PM
#fakenews  ;)

Meanwhile, it's after midnight somewhere!

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1775/43778214022_78b820f92f.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4809/32321698138_760b4f7683.jpg)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Hogtrail on December 07, 2018, 10:49:18 PM
Haha, no, but it IS in Europe.  A place that has seen more action lately.

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Is it the UK, where there's an active Empire?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: sutekh22 on December 07, 2018, 10:59:28 PM
This is a really dumb question but with Alexa, Asuka and Emma they still count as females but not divas?  Or is that wrong?  Make your own jokes.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 07, 2018, 11:06:23 PM
Diva isn't part of their Superstar card, they are just 'Superstars' (and 'female', of course).  Just like the old days of Trish and Lita.

Haha, no, but it IS in Europe.  A place that has seen more action lately.
Is it the UK, where there's an active Empire?

Yes, but an even more specific location than that.

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: the-edge666 on December 07, 2018, 11:18:00 PM
Regarding the packing of the Hair pull and Choke hold cards. So I can pack them as if they are not heel, but they are counting as heel when in my Ring for Spiteful. Am I right? And do they count towards the 60 cards in my arsenal?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 07, 2018, 11:21:58 PM
You're answering your questions for me, my work here is done!  :D

When packed, they aren't in your Arsenal, so they don't count toward 60.  The ability doesn't change that they are Heel, just allows you to pack them anyway (while packing Face or BASH).

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: the-edge666 on December 08, 2018, 01:36:19 AM
Haha, thanks. Just wanted to be clear.  ;)
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: TimJR on December 08, 2018, 07:29:29 AM
This is a really dumb question but with Alexa, Asuka and Emma they still count as females but not divas?  Or is that wrong?  Make your own jokes.

They are not Divas, as they do not have a 'Diva Superstar Ability'.

Also despite it having gameplay effects, being 'female' is not actually ever listed on the cards anywhere thanks to CI not doing so either. All of the superstars you list are considered female for gameplay purposes.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: MonkeyLord13 on December 08, 2018, 08:11:00 AM
I am really looking forward to playing Alexa. This is yet another set that is an absolute embarrassment of riches. Too much good stuff already. I also appreciate her breathing new life into non-TB Chokehold, which was a mainstay of many of my early decks.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Daeva on December 08, 2018, 09:53:25 AM
Also despite it having gameplay effects, being 'female' is not actually ever listed on the cards anywhere thanks to CI not doing so either. All of the superstars you list are considered female for gameplay purposes.

Gender isn't listed because it was assumed to be obvious. Oh, the halcyon days of 2002...

(The only time that it's been kinda muddy is Right to Censor, since Ivory is in there, but RtC counts as male because she's outnumbered by four dudes.)
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: the-edge666 on December 08, 2018, 01:49:40 PM
Speaking of the Emma Superstar card. I would like something like the BoD card. With one half of each Emma.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 08, 2018, 02:08:50 PM
Sorry, we don't take personal requests like that.  Everyone would ask for a specific look for this Superstar or that one, and all of this is done for free already.

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: the-edge666 on December 08, 2018, 02:12:06 PM
Ah, it wasn't a request. Just an idea that came to my mind when the idea of reversing the "Emmas" on a future superstar card came up.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Hogtrail on December 08, 2018, 03:06:01 PM
Also despite it having gameplay effects, being 'female' is not actually ever listed on the cards anywhere thanks to CI not doing so either. All of the superstars you list are considered female for gameplay purposes.

Gender isn't listed because it was assumed to be obvious. Oh, the halcyon days of 2002...

(The only time that it's been kinda muddy is Right to Censor, since Ivory is in there, but RtC counts as male because she's outnumbered by four dudes.)

I take it that team xtreme is in the same boat?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: niiiiick on December 08, 2018, 11:10:39 PM
Its midnight in the midwest and I'm up putting carpet in my basement...wouldnt mind seeing a new card ;)
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 08, 2018, 11:42:09 PM
Well, you're in luck, I'm still up finishing my last regular week of classwork before - ugh - finals.  So here's something for your hard work, to keep you going:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4847/32321706378_700921775b.jpg)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: the-edge666 on December 08, 2018, 11:42:28 PM
Yeah, in Germany we already have a new day here.  ;)
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: niiiiick on December 08, 2018, 11:52:35 PM
Well, you're in luck, I'm still up finishing my last regular week of classwork before - ugh - finals.  So here's something for your hard work, to keep you going:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4847/32321706378_700921775b.jpg)

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Quoting just to put on new page...but damn, that could be a nasty card
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Keith0913832 on December 08, 2018, 11:59:56 PM
In case anyone is curious what is affected

From the Middle Turnbuckle
Heel Turn
Messing With the Champ
Turn the Match into a Pier Six Brawl
Turn the Tide
Underestimated Prowess
Throw Into the Corner Turnbuckle
Turn the Match Around
Classy Freddie Blassie, The Maker of Champions
Fans Love an Underdog
Fans Love an Underdog (tb)
I'm the Champ - Nothin's Gonna Change That!
I'm the Underdog!
I've Had More Championships than You've Had Women
The Champ Is Here!
The Champ Is Here! (tb)
Underrated Superstar
Underrated Superstar (tb)
Don't Mess with the Champ!
Here I Stand: The Champion
Remove Corner Turnbuckle
Throw Into the Corner Turnbuckle (tb)
Touch Turnbuckle #1
Touch Turnbuckle #2
Touch Turnbuckle #3
Touch Turnbuckle #4
Turn Up the Heat
Turning Everything Upside Down
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 09, 2018, 09:16:36 AM
Here's another Moment of Bliss for you fans:

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1965/45521768594_e4671f70df.jpg)

By the way, the Asuka card thing was the location of that show from a British tour, in a place later used for the UK tournaments.  It's Blackpool, England - the venue is called The Empress Ballroom.

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: teamzissou on December 09, 2018, 12:07:08 PM
Does Five Feet have to place the 5 cards on only top or only bottom, or can you put some on top and some on the bottom? I’m thinking you can do both.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Revolution_Payback on December 09, 2018, 01:13:38 PM
With The Fairy Tale is Over, if you are able to blank it during the pre-match phase, would it be blank until the game started?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Hogtrail on December 09, 2018, 02:21:48 PM
With The Fairy Tale is Over, if you are able to blank it during the pre-match phase, would it be blank until the game started?

No,  because it can only be blanked during his turn, and prematch doesnt count as turns
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 09, 2018, 03:12:54 PM
Does Five Feet have to place the 5 cards on only top or only bottom, or can you put some on top and some on the bottom? I’m thinking you can do both.

Yes, any combination of top and bottom is fine.

With The Fairy Tale is Over, if you are able to blank it during the pre-match phase, would it be blank until the game started?
No,  because it can only be blanked during his turn, and prematch doesnt count as turns
That's incorrect, the effect says:
"When this card is in your Ring, his non-Superstar-specific Actions and Events with 'turn', 'under', or 'champ' in the title are blank. During his turn, he may discard 2 random cards to blank this card until the end of his turn."

It blanks without any specific timing, but during the opponent's turn, he can pay to turn off the blanking.

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Hogtrail on December 09, 2018, 08:34:20 PM
Right, I was speaking of the self blanking second part. Opponent cannot discard 2 cards during the prematch. Which I think was the question asked.

Unless I'm missing something.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: BigPimpin on December 09, 2018, 08:41:24 PM
Turning Everything Upside Down

Small note - this is RMS, and therefore not affected by Fairy Tale
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: maskedllama on December 09, 2018, 09:02:13 PM
So when you're playing against Alexa Bliss, your four corners match becomes much easier to win.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Rio D on December 10, 2018, 07:31:11 AM
So when you're playing against Alexa Bliss, your four corners match becomes much easier to win.

New counter meta
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 10, 2018, 08:11:14 AM
"Look everybody, it's Tyler!"

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/936/29956532738_7b6fafebba.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4859/32388149108_8e748dd819.jpg)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: niiiiick on December 10, 2018, 09:49:13 AM
Looking forward to having fun with Breeze
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: necrobaron75 on December 10, 2018, 02:14:22 PM
Became a fan of Tyler because of UUDD.
seems strong
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: maskedllama on December 10, 2018, 04:49:02 PM
I remember when that selfie stick debuted and people started a selfie stick chant. It was so hilarious. Can't wait to see what is all in store for Prince pretty.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 11, 2018, 07:48:23 AM
Here's some of what he has in store:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4861/32388151428_bc37789ddc.jpg) (https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1914/32388150078_0a133aa796.jpg)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Kingsantino92 on December 11, 2018, 08:53:25 AM
So just to be clear for Gorgeous, for each face up card I put under selfiestick is a random card from my opponents hand under his arsenal? Also for Tyler ability if I chose to put a card from ringside or hand under selfiestick during my turn(say after I draw for draw segment) then I can still put a card under for each maneuver I successfully play after that?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: niiiiick on December 11, 2018, 08:54:26 AM
So just to be clear for Gorgeous, for each face up card I put under selfiestick is a random card from my opponents hand under his arsenal?

Correct, you put 3 face up, they put 3 random at the bottom
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 11, 2018, 09:17:59 AM
Correct answer confirmed, and yes to the edited in second question.  It's 'once per turn' and also 'when you hit a move'.

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: lotjx on December 11, 2018, 10:17:22 AM
I have a headache just looking at the Tyler Breeze text. I am not a fan of upside down card decks. Thats a personal preference and I know that I am a minority on it. Its just annoying playing against those decks. Still looking forward to Joe and Finn.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: dilbert505 on December 11, 2018, 10:24:44 AM
"Look everybody, it's Tyler!"

"Look everybody, it's complicated!"  :P

Tyler's got a lot of tricks, and he seems really potent, but I can't help but feel that I'd need to print out a cheat sheet of all the things that happen when cards are face up, and all the things that happen when they're face down, so I don't miss any effects by forgetting to read a given card.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 11, 2018, 10:29:40 AM
To be clear, you aren't putting cards in your Ring face-down, just the cards under Selfie Stick.  There's two sets of perks as to whether they are face-up or face-down, and you'll have options to change those along the way.

It's a bit like having red or blue tokens or something like that, only people don't seem to like the idea of using tokens in Raw Deal, so generally cards serve as the currency for effects instead.  :)

But if that's not your thing, that's fine, there's 14 Superstars in the set, you have plenty of others to choose from.

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Kingsantino92 on December 11, 2018, 10:39:43 AM
Hey I noticed the set is coming out on Christmas but my library is closes on Christmas like a lot of other libraries so maybe we can get it on Christmas eve?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 11, 2018, 10:41:04 AM
Greed is frowned upon around these parts.  Dec 25th is the release date.

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: DebuRaito on December 11, 2018, 12:58:36 PM
Just wanna confirm since V9A consist of all 14 new superstars, what will V9B be consisting of? And will there be a further split for V9C?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 11, 2018, 01:22:54 PM
Like before, V9B will be the back-end of the set, the support cards that aren't ready.  No V9C.  No further information available at this time, this is just about V9A: the new Superstars in the set.

Strange question though, since you don't play Virtual.

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: TimJR on December 11, 2018, 01:54:39 PM
I have a headache just looking at the Tyler Breeze text. I am not a fan of upside down card decks. Thats a personal preference and I know that I am a minority on it. Its just annoying playing against those decks. Still looking forward to Joe and Finn.

Note that Tyler isn't like, say, The Second Coming. He has cards under the Selfie Stick, and face-down ones give him benefits and face-up ones he can play as if from hand (and if needed, he can flip those face-down for a protection against targeted discard or ring removal). He's not flipping cards in his ring face-down or face up.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 11, 2018, 01:59:01 PM
^ What he said.

We try to make stuff sometimes that has more moving parts (see also: Stardust), but is still (in theory) fun to play and not overly difficult to handle.  Often it takes extra words to protect from being broken with this, or useless with that, etc, so it looks like a lot.

Theoretically, there's some 'smash face' straightforward stuff, and one or more clever guys in the mix, then that one who looks complex but has a unique mechanic.  Something for everyone.  :)

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And sometimes a dude who's just blank with almost nothing on his Superstar card!
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Daeva on December 11, 2018, 06:33:51 PM
And sometimes a dude who's just blank with almost nothing on his Superstar card!

I'm still Super bummed that my original idea for Sin Cara didn't work out.

You know what I'm not bummed about, though? Virtual 9. This set really came together.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 12, 2018, 12:34:46 AM
Are you HYPE for the new Superstars?  Cuz you shouldn't GET hype.. you should STAY hype!  :D

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/942/43778220192_2282b0f1fb.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4887/46209443802_7b6b88366c.jpg) (https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1925/44442965810_0b914c20a8.jpg)

(Expect the Hype Train to roll on, next destination tomorrow is.. Dallas! heh)

EDIT:  Thanks to Dilbert for spotting the lack of location in the Backstage card, to choose 3 options you need those HYPE cards in your Ring.  I'll fix that before we release the set.

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: lotjx on December 12, 2018, 06:37:49 AM
I just never realized how goofy Mojo looks until I saw those cards. GirdIron tactics is just a beast of a card. I will probably not play him, but I like what was done here. Again, I am not bashing the Tyler or even Second Coming. Its cool to have variety.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 12, 2018, 09:45:25 PM
Agreed, but the important things is the HYPE for the new Superstars!!

HYPE!

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4838/44478505890_e18c82bbd3.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4901/45571932994_71472f3a24.jpg)

HYPE.... okay, I'll stop that now.  Sorry.  :P

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: rachelmon on December 12, 2018, 10:45:36 PM
I hope there is some cards which Mojo Rawley can share with Zack Ryder
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 12, 2018, 10:50:49 PM
We salvaged one from the wreckage of the Hype Bros with two logos on it, yes.  :)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: The Kisser on December 13, 2018, 07:53:41 AM
Ok why on MoJo is it his FACE Side and not his HEEL Side as he don't Stay Hyped anymore unless it's to Kick your Butt like he is now since he Killed The Bros of Hype. So are you gonna make him a HEEL Type card like you done w/ Randy by having the Managed by Sherri:HEEL and Miss Liz:FACE as that would be cool. As hopefully you also release a Support Card for Tyler called the FASHION FILES where also The FASHION Police/BreeZango and Fandango can pack it that would be awesome. But awesome Cards so far for V9
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: NJDevil18 on December 13, 2018, 07:57:54 AM
Just an FYI, on GET Hyped... I think grammatically it should be "put 1 non-reversal card" not cards.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 13, 2018, 08:18:29 AM
Heh, I made a note of that last night, the downside to change effects around - sometimes you miss minor things like pluralization.  Thanks.

Want more spoilers?  You just have to BO-lieve!

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/929/43778208712_55289473ed.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4842/31356583797_1cd8b7476d.jpg)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CRASHER on December 13, 2018, 11:30:45 AM
BO Dallas spoilers on my birthday?? You shouldn't have :)
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: TimJR on December 13, 2018, 12:04:42 PM
And a shoutout to The Softcore Legend whose fantasy Bo Dallas definitely served as some inspiration: http://teamcanadaonline.net///index.php/topic,14433.msg170315.html
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: maskedllama on December 13, 2018, 09:11:05 PM
I never thought I would see the day when Bo Dallas was in Raw Deal. I am so so happy.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 13, 2018, 10:38:35 PM
BO Dallas spoilers on my birthday?? You shouldn't have :)

It is?  Happy Birthday!

Well, I can't give YOU any spoilers, you've already seen all this stuff, but let's give away some to the TCO'ers, heh:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4841/32423573398_329de0fd25.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4860/32423573748_d8109831d6.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4882/32423572068_d7fb53a34b.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4863/46245283592_19b1ffa415.jpg)

Some of the random card pictures I liked - hey, is that Nia Jax as a Rosebud?  :D

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 14, 2018, 08:15:35 AM
For those who missed it, Bo Dallas's heel NXT championship run was hilarious.  He was convinced the fans loved him - "Boring"?  Yes, Bo is in the Ring!  "No More Bo"?  That's right, they want to Know More Bo!  Great stuff.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4913/31356582257_d597ed9f2e.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4854/31356583217_934b646567.jpg)

(And I had to get that sign in the pic, heh)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: MonkeyLord13 on December 14, 2018, 09:16:41 AM
Bo is looking like a ton of fun. He and The Ascension have me thinking up a fantasy card for those NXT who got called up and were completely squandered.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: niiiiick on December 14, 2018, 09:36:34 AM
Keep reviving old cards, I love it!

Bo and Breeze look like a ton of fun!
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Drywall on December 14, 2018, 11:26:57 AM
Bo Dallas looks SO fun so far.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: maskedllama on December 14, 2018, 03:57:58 PM
I am going to be digging in the crates for some classic cards. I love it. I also love the fond memories of mr. Dallas in NXT. How about that time he tried to Stage a sit in similar to the one Daniel Bryan had done on Smackdown the previous week? Only no fan showed up to do the protest with him and you freaked out and started yelling at everyone.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 14, 2018, 07:50:30 PM
I also love when lighting effects make pictures look cooler:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4867/44503138780_002f31205a.jpg)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Tim (From SG) on December 15, 2018, 03:16:20 AM
Nice! Really like the Tyler set, and Bo Dallas seems really interesting.
Just realized that the 2, 8, 0 effect is a reference to his 280 days reign as an NXT champion. All you have to do is ... BOLieve!
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 15, 2018, 09:03:04 AM
Exactly!  And while Bo had become quite the heel champion, his #1 challenger chasing the title finally got his big chance in the first network special for the brand, NXT Arrival.

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7598/16829473861_e383a422d1.jpg)

In the first-ever Ladder Match in NXT, Bo Dallas was defeated by this man:

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1819/43778211322_222d843eeb.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4829/45382851275_1e2d0be0dc.jpg)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Tim (From SG) on December 15, 2018, 09:22:50 AM
The King of the Cruiserweight looks dashing in this set. Gravity may have forgotten this man, but we haven't!  :P
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 15, 2018, 09:29:36 AM
Exactly!  And while Bo had become quite the heel champion, his #1 challenger chasing the title finally got his big chance in the first network special for the brand, NXT Arrival.

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7598/16829473861_e383a422d1.jpg)

In the first-ever Ladder Match in NXT, Bo Dallas was defeated by this man:

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1819/43778211322_222d843eeb.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4829/45382851275_1e2d0be0dc.jpg)

<mutters something about stupid idiot page breaks> :)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Drywall on December 15, 2018, 12:47:17 PM
"Your NXT Arrival is Permanent"...

Isn't it already permanent?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 15, 2018, 01:56:37 PM
It's now double-Permanent.  :P  (Left over from when we moved effects around)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: The Kisser on December 15, 2018, 07:21:44 PM
Exactly!  And while Bo had become quite the heel champion, his #1 challenger chasing the title finally got his big chance in the first network special for the brand, NXT Arrival.

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7598/16829473861_e383a422d1.jpg)

In the first-ever Ladder Match in NXT, Bo Dallas was defeated by this man:

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1819/43778211322_222d843eeb.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4829/45382851275_1e2d0be0dc.jpg)

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So does this mean on the non-maneuver thing the non-Maneuver doesn't have to be Successful for him to get the bonus Crud on "The Man Gravity Forgot" or what as that seems kinda crappy on that by oh lookee I reversed your Recovery and now I can get Free Bonuses as I think it should be if your Opponent successfully played a non-maneuver on their turn then you get the bonuses.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: niiiiick on December 15, 2018, 07:26:24 PM
Just says play, so it only matters if he plays one...successful or not
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: teamzissou on December 15, 2018, 10:19:11 PM
The bottom left corner of Neville’s logo on his superstar card seems to be having issues. The yellow box is incomplete. There may be an issue with the bottom right corner too. But maybe it’s suppose to be that way?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: MonkeyLord13 on December 16, 2018, 07:13:06 AM

So does this mean on the non-maneuver thing the non-Maneuver doesn't have to be Successful for him to get the bonus Crud on "The Man Gravity Forgot" or what as that seems kinda crappy on that by oh lookee I reversed your Recovery and now I can get Free Bonuses as I think it should be if your Opponent successfully played a non-maneuver on their turn then you get the bonuses.

Counter-point: that means even if Neville has plenty of F and doesn't need the discount, the maneuver still qualifies for being reversed by Your Reach Exceeds Your Grasp (unless it was an RMS maneuver).
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CRASHER on December 16, 2018, 07:26:27 AM
Counter-point: that means even if Neville has plenty of F and doesn't need the discount, the maneuver still qualifies for being reversed by Your Reach Exceeds Your Grasp (unless it was an RMS maneuver).

Untrue, reach/grasp can only reverse a card if you don't have the fortitude to play it (or a multi volley)

(example: it can't revers shoot forearm if you have 10F and are behind making it 0F to play)
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: MonkeyLord13 on December 16, 2018, 07:59:19 AM
My fatal flaw as a card game player is my inability to read the cards in their entirety.

Back before I knew about TCO, my playgroup made fantasy cards for each of us. One of my cards allowed me to ignore a sentence in a card for this exact reason.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CRASHER on December 16, 2018, 08:11:10 AM
My fatal flaw as a card game player is my inability to read the cards in their entirety.

Back before I knew about TCO, my playgroup made fantasy cards for each of us. One of my cards allowed me to ignore a sentence in a card for this exact reason.

It's RMS too  8)
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: niiiiick on December 16, 2018, 08:16:45 AM
My fatal flaw as a card game player is my inability to read the cards in their entirety.

The reason why I bought RTFC sleeves  ;D
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Queensryche on December 16, 2018, 08:38:24 AM
Just need to chime in regarding RTFC:

I started a running joke among my FFTCG playgroup. If someone does something during a game which goes against what a card says, whoever pointed it out will say "Nobody reads the cards!" If the guilty party catches themselves doing it before anyone else, the phrase is "Nobody reads the cards, especially me!"
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 16, 2018, 09:40:14 AM
We're fine with leaving it as 'he plays a non-maneuver', since it's just -2F and very negligible.  Here's some more stuff for Neville - and wow, Sami takes a beating this set!  :D

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4831/46295587031_0dfdf22603.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4903/31356634537_7fc8207518.jpg)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 17, 2018, 08:15:05 AM
And now, here he is.. the devastating destroyer of Raw's ratings - Baron Corbin!  :)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4912/45437109895_9f15fd3bd3.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4908/45437111895_820fda0b0f.jpg)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: TimJR on December 17, 2018, 08:26:50 AM
Baron Corbin, aka the wrestler I suddenly liked after he was super cool at a local restaurant: https://twitter.com/VANGUARDMKE/status/1067107192577409024
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Hogtrail on December 17, 2018, 08:36:07 AM
Just to clarify, for Superhuman, ignore your effects that cause you to discard (mid-match cards?) or prevent you from playing mid match cards.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 17, 2018, 08:50:11 AM
Yes. 'Mid-match cards' applies to both.  We might have to re-word that so it's clearer, hmm.  (So Lariat Takedown's discard doesn't happen, basically)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Hogtrail on December 17, 2018, 08:53:10 AM
Yes. 'Mid-match cards' applies to both.  We might have to re-word that so it's clearer, hmm.  (So Lariat Takedown's discard doesn't happen, basically)

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Cant ignore an RMS card
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 17, 2018, 09:12:16 AM
You can ignore the effects, as established by Edge & Christian changing the discard effects from an RMS card.

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Hogtrail on December 17, 2018, 09:26:38 AM
You can ignore the effects, as established by Edge & Christian changing the discard effects from an RMS card.

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Oh. So it's not like Its Great To Be Back here in... not being able to reverse Atomic Lariat? I thought it was ruled that it couldn't reverse it because it couldn't ignore the reversal restriction due to the RMS?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Daeva on December 17, 2018, 09:40:10 AM
Replacement effects work on RMS cards (like Edge and Christian), but flat-out ignoring them does not. Superhuman is intended to be a replacement effect, and it'll be worded that way when the set releases.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 17, 2018, 09:48:36 AM
Apples and oranges.

A card can generate an effect that can be affected outside of the RMS. However, the reversal ability of a card is prevented from changes in both directions by the RMS.

EDIT: What he said. :)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Cyaega on December 17, 2018, 10:36:56 AM
Just checking, but does the discard prevention of Superhuman work for optional effects? Like say JR Style Clubberin?

Thanks in advance.

Edit: Just realised it only interacts with midmatch. But still what if its optional.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: niiiiick on December 17, 2018, 10:46:24 AM
How would it interact with Crucifix Rollup TB? Does he just not discard and draw 1? Or will it be one of those, it floats in an unknown space before defaulting to ringside? Or does it not work since the draw is dependent on the discarding?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 17, 2018, 11:29:17 AM
Just checking, but does the discard prevention of Superhuman work for optional effects? Like say JR Style Clubberin?

Thanks in advance.

Edit: Just realised it only interacts with midmatch. But still what if its optional.

We don't chase hypotheticals, please provide an example of one.  We don't have time to waste on 'what if', sorry.

Meanwhile, here's today's spoilers from the previous page:

And now, here he is.. the devastating destroyer of Raw's ratings - Baron Corbin!  :)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4912/45437109895_9f15fd3bd3.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4908/45437111895_820fda0b0f.jpg)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: fadeaway on December 17, 2018, 10:46:04 PM
Does the discard in superhuman refer to discard from hand, mid match, or both?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 17, 2018, 11:16:05 PM
It refers to 'discard' wherever the effect is referenced.

However, we're reviewing that effect, and may change it before release.  Possibly just make it do specifically what we want, rather than worry about all the extra parts.

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Tim (From SG) on December 18, 2018, 06:14:07 AM
Thank you for the clarification. That "Superhuman" backstage sure looks strong as hell. haha :police:.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: maskedllama on December 18, 2018, 06:24:53 AM
He sounds incredibly fun to build. I am excited to see Raw Deal Baron Corbin. That is sadly more than I can say for WWE Baron Corbin. Well, I take that back a little bit. General manager Baron Corbin was much more interesting than Lone Wolf Baron Corbin.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: lotjx on December 18, 2018, 06:34:13 AM
I felt bad for Corbin last night. He took all those bullets from the McMahons when they should have been fired themselves. That Sacramento crowd may go down as the single stupidest mark crowd of all time. Having said that, probably never going to play him in the card game.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 18, 2018, 08:40:04 AM
Here's the "Lone Wolf" that was mentioned:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4891/46349619711_86e9b80cb8.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4855/46349620491_a8d532e598.jpg)

I liked the way this card worked out, initially I sketched out a basic upper-mid-range move/reversal, then thought 'Nah, I can do better than that!' and focused on the 6.  I think it works out well.

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Drywall on December 18, 2018, 09:19:53 AM
I LOVE Deep Syxx! Excellent work.

....any chance you can add Chyna's logo to it?

(I'm kidding, that's my wrestling joke this month; I'll see myself out)
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: TimJR on December 18, 2018, 09:56:13 AM
You should've seen yourself out before making the 'joke'.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Kingsantino92 on December 18, 2018, 09:58:07 AM
Is reducin Baron prematch capacity the same as preventing him from playing prematch cards?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 18, 2018, 10:01:27 AM
No.

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Kingsantino92 on December 18, 2018, 10:11:24 AM
Ok and what if the prematch card says "this card does not take up a prematch slot" or "your prematch cards do not take up a prematch slot" after I already reduced the capacity?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 18, 2018, 10:19:51 AM
The second question doesn't make sense, since the answer to the first question was 'no'.

Anyway, we've already said we're changing it, so I'll ask for a stop to the questions about an effect that won't be the same when it's released anyway, thanks guys.

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 19, 2018, 08:53:05 AM
Joe! Joe! Joe! Joe!

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1814/42017749820_63808bbc97.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4849/46349625731_c9b72e3327.jpg)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Hogtrail on December 19, 2018, 08:56:41 AM
Edit: nevermind - I'm dumb.

Love Joe so far
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: lotjx on December 19, 2018, 09:07:29 AM
YES!!! Can't wait to build a deck theme around chain submission. I understand no sell, but not being to play a revolution of the mind is a tough draw back. I might have gone with high flyer with him.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: niiiiick on December 19, 2018, 09:11:33 AM
YES!!! Can't wait to build a deck theme around chain submission. I understand no sell, but not being to play a revolution of the mind is a tough draw back. I might have gone with high flyer with him.

Am I missing something, why cant he play Revo of the Mind?

He can pack No Sell, so you just have to decide between the two
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Drywall on December 19, 2018, 10:01:00 AM
YES!!! Can't wait to build a deck theme around chain submission. I understand no sell, but not being to play a revolution of the mind is a tough draw back. I might have gone with high flyer with him.

Am I missing something, why cant he play Revo of the Mind?

He can pack No Sell, so you just have to decide between the two

I believe that's what he meant, the struggle of the decision between one or the other.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: lotjx on December 19, 2018, 11:44:57 AM
Yea..I tend to go with Revo of the mind. There is no real penalty for playing other than deck restrictions which is fine. I always find myself at 50 cards pretty early in a deck. Getting rid of the basic reversals like break the hold or the sell cards is an easy decision. I usually use No Sell if a character has a no discard ability for it. It makes sense for Joe to have it and I love it, but I have to see if packing No Sell will be worth it.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: necrobaron75 on December 19, 2018, 01:46:33 PM
Joe's gonna kill you......
Strong cards so far,excited to see the rest
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: maskedllama on December 19, 2018, 10:21:50 PM
Another raw deal fantasy come to life!!  Thank you all
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 19, 2018, 10:46:20 PM
Joe's gonna kill you......
Strong cards so far,excited to see the rest

Oh man, you aren't kidding!

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4843/46349627871_59acf5e8e0.jpg)


Pop Quiz: What WWE distinction do Samoa Joe and Shinsuke Nakamura share?

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: swankythegreat on December 19, 2018, 11:16:02 PM
Two-time, two-time NXT champs!

Every one of these superstars looks like a blast so far, can't wait to try them out
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Kingsantino92 on December 19, 2018, 11:21:51 PM
I never knew Joe beat Finn Balor so many times since I disn't follow NXT. Were they rivals or just feuding?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 20, 2018, 12:12:49 AM
Two-time, two-time NXT champs!
Every one of these superstars looks like a blast so far, can't wait to try them out

Correct!

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4883/32477589468_c612f2e9d1.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4830/45626416144_df7a177558.jpg)

And thanks!  Less than a week to go, heh.

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: niiiiick on December 20, 2018, 08:04:58 AM
I'm the worst at timing...for Joe's backstage fortitude reduction, will a card still reduce it's own fort when playing from under the backstage?

Example: you are at 0F and have only Apply Illegal Leverage (printed 3F) under, when you attempt to play it, does it lose the fort reduction and you cant play?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: BigPimpin on December 20, 2018, 08:21:12 AM
I'm the worst at timing...for Joe's backstage fortitude reduction, will a card still reduce it's own fort when playing from under the backstage?

Example: you are at 0F and have only Apply Illegal Leverage (printed 3F) under, when you attempt to play it, does it lose the fort reduction and you cant play?

Correct.  When it leaves the area to be played, the fort reduction is gone and it's not a legal play.

Similar thing with Blindside Takedown - you actually need 15F to play it, since when you play it the BSTD leaves the Ringside and the reduction is no longer valid.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Tim (From SG) on December 20, 2018, 08:24:52 AM
Joe's gonna kill you......
Strong cards so far,excited to see the rest

Oh man, you aren't kidding!

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4843/46349627871_59acf5e8e0.jpg)


Pop Quiz: What WWE distinction do Samoa Joe and Shinsuke Nakamura share?

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Nice work there! I think there's a "card" text duplication. I believe it should be "for every 2 cards discarded,...".
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Tim (From SG) on December 20, 2018, 08:27:43 AM
I'm the worst at timing...for Joe's backstage fortitude reduction, will a card still reduce it's own fort when playing from under the backstage?

Example: you are at 0F and have only Apply Illegal Leverage (printed 3F) under, when you attempt to play it, does it lose the fort reduction and you cant play?

Hahaha. i actually had the same question in mind. I wonder?  :laugh:
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: TimJR on December 20, 2018, 08:31:59 AM
I'm the worst at timing...for Joe's backstage fortitude reduction, will a card still reduce it's own fort when playing from under the backstage?

Example: you are at 0F and have only Apply Illegal Leverage (printed 3F) under, when you attempt to play it, does it lose the fort reduction and you cant play?

Hahaha. i actually had the same question in mind. I wonder?  :laugh:

...I was literally answered 2 posts above yours.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 20, 2018, 10:01:28 AM
Thanks, we'll get that fixed.  Appreciate you guys catching the minor stuff, I'm sure it seems like we aren't paying attention some times, but in playtesting the focus is on the effects, the power level, etc.  It's easy to miss the word errors like that, as strange as that may seem.

Also, from the previous page:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4883/32477589468_c612f2e9d1.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4830/45626416144_df7a177558.jpg)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 20, 2018, 10:43:30 AM
...and while we're on the subject of the King of Strong Style...

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4837/45437138365_0af1e4a09c.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4833/46349666281_6a492eb05e.jpg)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Hogtrail on December 20, 2018, 10:55:35 AM
Love the update. There is an extra "or" in his ability ;)
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 20, 2018, 11:08:55 AM
Or what?!  :P

Bah, thanks.

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: lotjx on December 20, 2018, 12:13:39 PM
Nice. I can't wait to see the rest of the set.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 20, 2018, 07:13:25 PM
Well, here's one less card to wait for, heh:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4889/45626414514_31b7f080ef.jpg)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 21, 2018, 08:11:50 AM
Here's the last of the new Superstars, and your first option for how he'll emerge when the music hits:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/935/42017747740_73df298e14.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4844/45437170905_e9f0b98118.jpg)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Tim (From SG) on December 21, 2018, 08:37:33 AM
Nice! All hail the Demon King!  8)
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 21, 2018, 10:27:31 AM
The Demon Arrives tomorrow, today is about "Bálor Club" Finn:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4839/31469186537_5e9645f876.jpg)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: niiiiick on December 21, 2018, 10:38:25 PM
Just got done watching venom finally for the first time..you know, about a guy with something inside of him...some may say is kind of a demon ;)
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 21, 2018, 10:44:05 PM
Yeah, that was a fun flick - I kinda see the resemblance, maybe they're distant cousins?

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4889/45437172135_125c004b1a.jpg)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: niiiiick on December 21, 2018, 10:46:17 PM
That's very interesting, can hurt you...but man can that be devastating nuking some very good cards from your opponents ring
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Kingsantino92 on December 22, 2018, 05:31:41 AM
When choosing a card to move from your opponents ring is it the entire number of cards you have removed from the game or just the 2+ you happened to move from under your Superstar card at the time?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: MonkeyLord13 on December 22, 2018, 07:26:42 AM
When choosing a card to move from your opponents ring is it the entire number of cards you have removed from the game or just the 2+ you happened to move from under your Superstar card at the time?

The second one: just the number of cards you moved on that activation. The verbage is "you removed", referring back to paying the cost of the effect. If it we're counting the total number of cards removed from the game, it would have been written as "where # is the total number of your cards removed from the game."
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Tim (From SG) on December 22, 2018, 08:46:31 AM
Yeah, that was a fun flick - I kinda see the resemblance, maybe they're distant cousins?

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4889/45437172135_125c004b1a.jpg)

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Wow. That plucking effect can be a real nasty combo. Can't wait to see the rest of the support cards. I'm sure it'll be really interesting.
Thanks Creed and the TCO team for the continuous efforts in keeping this going strong. Although sometimes we players may sound complaining, but hey, if we complain, that means we care enough, right? LOL :laugh:
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 22, 2018, 09:16:03 AM
Well, no.  :D  I mean, catching mistakes, sure.  Constructive criticism, yeah.  "These guys suck" - that's a negative, Ghost Rider, heh.

Anyway, here's one of those cards that leans more toward the Demon side of things...

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4849/45685507494_ebfaa7c173.jpg)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Tim (From SG) on December 22, 2018, 09:30:32 AM
Nice! Promo 3! Promo 3! Promo 3! I like the dual persona concept for Finn Balor and Emma. It shakes things up in an interesting way.
Thank you Santa Creed!  ;D
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: MonkeyLord13 on December 22, 2018, 09:34:52 AM
Wow, the Visage is gorgeous. All of the cards on this set have been looking great, Finn is getting some really striking ones.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Kingsantino92 on December 22, 2018, 10:10:11 AM
So for The Demon Arrives, even though it says I MUST move a card in my ring I can op out of that and just randomly remove 3 cards from the game?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 22, 2018, 10:14:27 AM
Nice! Promo 3! Promo 3! Promo 3! I like the dual persona concept for Finn Balor and Emma. It shakes things up in an interesting way.
Thank you Santa Creed!  ;D

What, like the entrance, the whole 'hands out' thing?  I was thinking something more this:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4878/45437173055_cfede933c4.jpg)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Kingsantino92 on December 22, 2018, 10:22:49 AM
FINN IS PERFECT!!!!!! Creed I just got engaged a few weeks ago and you guys are all invited to my wedding lol this year stared out horribly like you have no idea how bad, but it is finishing off beautifully.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 22, 2018, 11:36:07 AM
Wow, congratulations!

And for those just joining us...

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4889/45437172135_125c004b1a.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4849/45685507494_ebfaa7c173.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4878/45437173055_cfede933c4.jpg)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Eric RD on December 22, 2018, 06:53:20 PM
Super excited to play as Balor. Depending on the opponent you can change up your ability.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: maskedllama on December 22, 2018, 09:48:03 PM
 you all have done a fantastic job of capturing The Duality of Finn Balor! I am torn between trying to build two different decks for the two different Styles or just winging it with the one I have
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: MonkeyLord13 on December 23, 2018, 05:53:28 AM
So for The Demon Arrives, even though it says I MUST move a card in my ring I can op out of that and just randomly remove 3 cards from the game?

So I'm not 100% on this, but I believe that because it says MUST you truly must, you cannot simply opt out. The bit about randomly removing 3 cards is probably there in case you've run out of cards in your ring, or every card in your ring is permanent and cannot be removed for its effect. Because without that, you could probably run an interesting build that used a lot of permanent cards to try and avoid the otherwise mandatory effect. I'm not necessarily seeing where that would become abusive, but, of course, I haven't tried to build him to exploit it since the way the card is written has precluded that kind of build.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Kingsantino92 on December 23, 2018, 06:28:32 AM
I asked the same question on the previous page and Creed said yes. You can opt out and just remove 3 random cards.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: niiiiick on December 23, 2018, 07:12:08 AM
From the way it seems, the "must" is there to make sure you do at least one of the effects every turn
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: DebuRaito on December 23, 2018, 09:10:03 AM
From the way it seems, the "must" is there to make sure you do at least one of the effects every turn

What if you don’t have non-permanent card in your ring and there are less than 3 cards in your ringside, or if there’s HiaC in play?

Is opting out of removing ring card, and proceed to remove 3 random ringside, following by being blocked by HiaC a possible alternative?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 23, 2018, 10:08:50 AM
From the way it seems, the "must" is there to make sure you do at least one of the effects every turn
Right, as always in Raw Deal, you do what you're capable of.

EDIT:  To be clear, Demon must a) remove 1 card, or if there's nothing to remove b) lose 3 cards from Ringside.  If you can't do either one, the effect just fails.

Meanwhile, since the set is called NXT Takeover, it only makes sense that we'll have some NXT support cards in the set. (there's a handful of non-specifics being released as well as the new Superstars).  Here's these two:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4899/46434077421_ae20787be7.jpg) (https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7807/45521509305_98acbf81ef.jpg)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 23, 2018, 08:32:23 PM
Also, I'm a little surprised no one asked about Neville having a 'Cruiserweight Superstar Ability'.  That's probably because he's the first to have that trait (we might add it to existing Superstars later, on a case-by-case basis through support).  However, only a Cruiserweight can get this:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4823/31494864657_7e797bf5aa.jpg)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: maskedllama on December 24, 2018, 12:10:56 AM
DUDE!! Cruiserweight ability and 205!!!
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Tim (From SG) on December 24, 2018, 02:47:13 AM
"Catch your breath", its just 1 day left to the the huge release of the NXT peeps.
And oh boy, I'm so looking forward to this.

Hopefully, there are further surprises to this set (like Adam Cole Bay Bay!). I'm just kidding on this note. I'll try not to be too greedy.  ;D
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: KD8ESU on December 24, 2018, 10:06:06 AM
Also, I'm a little surprised no one asked about Neville having a 'Cruiserweight Superstar Ability'.  That's probably because he's the first to have that trait (we might add it to existing Superstars later, on a case-by-case basis through support).
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If you're JUST looking at 205 Live, the only guy made (and because of contracts and all the stuff everyone knows about, see about <R> Filling in the Blanks) thus far that might become a Cruiserweight later is Sin Cara.
Of course, if we go to the old Cruiserweight division (and Light-Heavyweight before that), then that becomes a giant bag of worms to deal with....

Maybe Cruiserweight should only apply to the modern division.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 24, 2018, 11:45:53 AM
That's my thoughts as well, unless Mysterio shows up on 205 Live or something.  Personally, I think that'd be a great way to 'hype' the show, have him team with Lucha Party against 4 heels in a wild 10-15 minute banger, but oh well.

In the meantime, since it's 'Christmas Eve' in some places, I've posted the text spoiler for the Virtual 9: NXT Takeover (http://teamcanadaonline.net///index.php/topic,18507.0.html), so you guys can get an idea of what's coming very soon.  And maybe sharp-eyed people will spot anything we might have missed, heh - we already made a couple small changes, like fixing the loophole that Bo's Pre-match doesn't actually work on AIUU, so that was addressed directly.

Plus this is one less thing for me to do tonight, haha.  Enjoy!

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: the-edge666 on December 24, 2018, 01:52:20 PM
Thanks so much for the biggest Christmas present of the year (as the adults in our family don't give any presents to each other  ;)). There are not so many Superstars in this set that I like, but the fact that Alexa is in and Paige get's a support card in the first wave makes it a great set for me. Now I'm waiting with big anticipation for the support part.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 24, 2018, 02:47:11 PM
That'll be a while.  The reason those 6 (and the dual-logo with one of the new Superstars) got in is they were part of the intended Arrival set, other people who were on that card besides Bo, Neville, etc.

That's also why there's one Cesaro card, but nothing yet for The Bar - of course we'll be doing something with that!  :)

All in good time, for now it's about the new Superstars all somehow riding in the back of Santa's Sleigh... heh

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: maskedllama on December 24, 2018, 08:06:38 PM
IT'S COMING!!!
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 24, 2018, 10:17:36 PM
No, it's HERE!

Virtual 9: NXT Takeover

Non-Specific Cards: (.doc (http://teamcanadaonline.net/virtual/v9a1.doc)/.pdf (http://teamcanadaonline.net/virtual/v9a1.pdf))
Finn Bálor, Samoa Joe: (.doc (http://teamcanadaonline.net/virtual/v9b1.doc)/.pdf (http://teamcanadaonline.net/virtual/v9b1.pdf))
Shinsuke Nakamura, Baron Corbin: (.doc (http://teamcanadaonline.net/virtual/v9b2.doc)/.pdf (http://teamcanadaonline.net/virtual/v9b2.pdf))
Neville, Bo Dallas: (.doc (http://teamcanadaonline.net/virtual/v9b3.doc)/.pdf (http://teamcanadaonline.net/virtual/v9b3.pdf))
Tyler Breeze, Mojo Rawley: (.doc (http://teamcanadaonline.net/virtual/v9b4.doc)/.pdf (http://teamcanadaonline.net/virtual/v9b4.pdf))
American Alpha, Vaudevillains: (.doc (http://teamcanadaonline.net/virtual/v9b5.doc)/.pdf (http://teamcanadaonline.net/virtual/v9b5.pdf))
Asuka, Alexa Bliss: (.doc (http://teamcanadaonline.net/virtual/v9b6.doc)/.pdf (http://teamcanadaonline.net/virtual/v9b6.pdf))
Emma, The Ascension: (.doc (http://teamcanadaonline.net/virtual/v9b7.doc)/.pdf (http://teamcanadaonline.net/virtual/v9b7.pdf))
Support Cards: (.doc (http://teamcanadaonline.net/virtual/v9c1.doc)/.pdf (http://teamcanadaonline.net/virtual/v9c1.pdf))

(It was just pointed out that, oops! We forgot to put the CON promo from this year in the set.  We'll add it to V9B, sorry!)

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Hogtrail on December 24, 2018, 10:21:42 PM
These all look amazing. Great job by the art crew.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: niiiiick on December 24, 2018, 10:23:48 PM
Early Xmas present (for central and west coast peeps that is).

A big thank you of course to all developers and play testers!
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Keith0913832 on December 24, 2018, 10:33:01 PM
Hi Creed,

Should <R> Masochist of The Heart TB be 0D or 1D?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 24, 2018, 11:17:24 PM
Dammit dammit dammit, I knew this was going too smoothly.  :D  Sit tight, I'll fix those images shortly.

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Keith0913832 on December 24, 2018, 11:20:34 PM
No stress! Could try delegating out such work to others too man. Don't pin everything up on yourself.

Side note though, I think Baron is short of the Andre memorial in the superstar guides.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: tyson on December 24, 2018, 11:32:01 PM
By any chance will Curtis Axel and Adam Rose be made?

Anyways thanks so much for what you have did with virtual 9: NXT takeover. Great work there!
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 24, 2018, 11:35:54 PM
No stress! Could try delegating out such work to others too man. Don't pin everything up on yourself.

Side note though, I think Baron is short of the Andre memorial in the superstar guides.

Oh yeah, and his picture's even on it!  Fixed, thanks.

Also, I fixed the card image but didn't replace it in the file.  The file with the D: 0 Masochist is now uploaded, but might need to close your browser and reopen it, so it stops pulling the cached version.  Or maybe that's just on my end.

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: chris1604 on December 25, 2018, 06:59:54 AM
No stress! Could try delegating out such work to others too man. Don't pin everything up on yourself.

Side note though, I think Baron is short of the Andre memorial in the superstar guides.

And also backed by Dana brooke for Emma.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: maskedllama on December 25, 2018, 08:37:56 AM
It's so beautiful I could wag openly! Thank you all for the wonderful present. I know a lot of hard work and care went into every card and it's truly appreciated.  Merry Christmas to every one at TCO.   

I have wanted SAMOA JOE in Raw Deal since his amazing Impact Run all those years ago and wow it's here. Not that I am not excited for the others, but he has been a desire for over a decade and here he is.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 25, 2018, 09:59:12 AM
Um.  Backed by Dana Brooke is the first card under Emma's Superstar Card in the guide.

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 25, 2018, 12:31:20 PM
It's so beautiful I could wag openly! Thank you all for the wonderful present. I know a lot of hard work and care went into every card and it's truly appreciated.  Merry Christmas to every one at TCO.   
I have wanted SAMOA JOE in Raw Deal since his amazing Impact Run all those years ago and wow it's here. Not that I am not excited for the others, but he has been a desire for over a decade and here he is.

There's guys we've made that I know are popular, but I just don't care for - people named 'Jeff' for example, and I wasn't big on Dusty Rhodes as a character (great guy behind the scenes though).  However, putting people like AJ Styles and Samoa Joe into the game feels great, definitely.  :)

Also - are we sure we checked under the tree for ALL the presents this year...?

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 25, 2018, 02:02:15 PM
Yeah, see?  Here in the back, there's a bunch of alternate images, see?  :)

Virtual Survivor Series, Part 5: (.doc (http://teamcanadaonline.net/virtual/VSS05.doc)/.pdf (http://teamcanadaonline.net/virtual/VSS05.pdf))

MAJOR thanks to EricRD for his help with these (and TimJR for a couple that are finally seeing the light of day).

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CRASHER on December 25, 2018, 02:19:23 PM
Hot damn I love the reprinted SS cards!!! FYO, Asuka has her old ability (doesn't have pack unique multis)
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: the-edge666 on December 25, 2018, 02:28:27 PM
Those are awesome. Love the Aj, Becky and Alexa. Can't wait to get them printed.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 25, 2018, 02:40:35 PM
Hot damn I love the reprinted SS cards!!! FYO, Asuka has her old ability (doesn't have pack unique multis)

Bah, thanks.  That'll take a while to fix, those pesky Diva style cards, but I'll let you know when it's been corrected.

Oh yeah, and credit to Nick0 for the image - I believe he also had the original ideas for Samoa Joe, both used with his permission.

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Shappy on December 25, 2018, 05:24:41 PM
I just noticed this, don't know if I'm being too picky but there might be a grammar problem.

Elite Wrestling Ability:

Your maneuvers with 'lock' AND 'plex' in the title are +3D, and when played as a Counter, they are -5F and Chain.

Shouldn't this say "or" not "and"? Unless I'm forgetting something like a Hammerlock Suplex, I don't think there are any markets with both the words "lock" and "plex" in the title.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 25, 2018, 05:36:17 PM
We can fix that down the road, but for now we'll rule it to mean (maneuvers with 'lock' AND maneuvers with 'plex'), unless there's an issue.  Thanks.

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 25, 2018, 07:03:30 PM
The Asuka non-Diva alt is now updated.

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: GamerZombie on December 25, 2018, 07:38:06 PM
Cesaro’s support card is missing an ACE symbol. Also does the last line about not discarding apply to both effects or just the second one?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 25, 2018, 08:14:13 PM
Eh, an ACE symbol is just a reminder, it's right there in the text.  DTTAH doesn't make you discard, it's protection against reversals to the ACE.

EDIT:  Whoops, Owen's in there twice, second one should be The Usos, haha.  Fixed now.

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: teamzissou on December 25, 2018, 10:48:13 PM
On “The Demon Arrives” it says “you MUST put 1 card from your Ring under your Superstar.” This seems to imply that you must put a card from ring under your Superstar if anything is available in your ring. Should it maybe read “you MAY...” instead? Or maybe the required “from ring to Superstar” is intended.

Also, Joe’s “The Right Hand of Destruction” feels like it has too many “OR”s. Maybe that’s the way it needs to be though?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 25, 2018, 11:05:14 PM
The first one was already discussed, if you want to review previous posts.  Both are worded as intended, though, and Demon's effect is not optional.  If you cannot remove a card, you lose cards from Ringside.

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Shappy on December 26, 2018, 08:33:57 PM
Sorry to find late things, Creed!

Hyper Hip Attack says in the text spoilers and the text part of Lackey that it's a Grapple + Grapple, but the pic shows it's a High Risk + High Risk.
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on December 26, 2018, 09:36:03 PM
Blame WWE in the end, the Hyperdrive used to be the Hip Attack, but at some point it became an elevated slam type move, so I had to change them around.  But like Snitsky, It's Not My Fault!  :D

I'll update the spoiler, and fix Lackey when V9B arrives (no ETA for that yet).

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: DebuRaito on January 17, 2019, 02:16:58 AM
Yeah, see?  Here in the back, there's a bunch of alternate images, see?  :)

Virtual Survivor Series, Part 5: (.doc (http://teamcanadaonline.net/virtual/VSS05.doc)/.pdf (http://teamcanadaonline.net/virtual/VSS05.pdf))

MAJOR thanks to EricRD for his help with these (and TimJR for a couple that are finally seeing the light of day).

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Seth Rollins SSV and HS seems to be wrong on this alt art superstar card
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: Kingsantino92 on January 17, 2019, 08:48:15 PM
Seth is 7 and 3 now?
Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on January 17, 2019, 08:53:11 PM
As noted, it's wrong.  We'll get it fixed.

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Title: Re: 30 Days of Raw Deal Christmas
Post by: CreedP on January 18, 2019, 11:04:28 AM
This has been fixed, an updated Seth Rollins with the correct stats is now in the file.

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